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post Aug 16 2018, 10:34 AM
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QUOTE(Mango @ Aug 15 2018, 11:29 PM) *

You are off your rocker if you are comparing the last 12 months of necromunda to the years of 3rd edition codex releases and optional rules (im pretty sure I remember that most stuff inside Codex Approved wasnt tourney accepted but i could be remembering wrong, im sure BHR would remember though).


The majority of Chapter Approved was official rules for use in games. (Interestingly, the Trial Assault Rules weren't official according to GW, but every tournament I went to treated them as such.)

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You are comparing buying a shared codex (salamanders) with needing buying an entire game faction (shadespire) just to get some cards? c'mon, lol


We're making progress. So now you're conceding that the rules were behind a paywall, you're just quibbling whether the price is reasonable. If you just want to whine that GW's expensive, then you're not breaking any new ground with that argument.

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but it was a soft cover short form codex for what $20?

Cards/ dice/ objectives/ are all more than that. and the codex are $70.

I used to collect every codex every edition because it was a small % of my annual income.....

If i buy every codex and every supplement/add on even just for my favourite armies it is definitely a much larger % of my income.


The sums might have changed but the fact you have to pay definitely hasn't.

I stopped buying miniatures/books/templates/dice from GW years ago because I couldn't afford them. I've bought some paints, but only because other companies' versions just don't match the citadel paints to my liking.

But that's a red herring. I haven't argued whether it's more expensive or not, or if the increased price is more justified, just that AFAIK GW have never released a wargame with a standalone rulebook that contains all the rules/stats for the life of the game. There's always been revisions, additions or whatever that people end up needing.

You buy the core game, then prepare your wallet to keep spending cash if you want to keep up to date. Complaining this is a new strategy is forgetting the last 30 years or so of how GW operate.

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post Aug 16 2018, 10:51 AM
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QUOTE(Occulto @ Aug 16 2018, 10:34 AM) *

You buy the core game, then prepare your wallet to keep spending cash if you want to keep up to date. Complaining this is a new strategy is forgetting the last 30 years or so of how GW operate.


This is also hardly unique behavior to GW when it comes to minis games.


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post Aug 17 2018, 11:20 AM
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You buy the core game, then prepare your wallet to keep spending cash if you want to keep up to date. Complaining this is a new strategy is forgetting the last 30 years or so of how GW operate.

Not complaining.

It has accelerated and been pushed not only to the limit but to actually past the limit in this case. $490 for a box set must be getting close to the elastic snapback.... smile.gif In the 1990's 2000's would the target market have spent 2-3 weeks rent on a board game? (minimum wage > share house/unit)

GW has been pushing prices to see where the maximum is (rules vs price) . The new age of $165-250 miniatures came and went >> Stormsurge/ Greater Daemons/ Punching up Knights from $155>$185 with one more halfsprue/ Baneblades etc

I guess we will see if $490 makes the Americans/British/gemans blink? If it doesn't and prices keep smashing the wallet , i guess backwaters like Australia will just turn to other hobbies.

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QUOTE(Blackhearts Reaver @ Aug 17 2018, 11:20 AM) *

I guess we will see if $490 makes the Americans/British/gemans blink? If it doesn't and prices keep smashing the wallet , i guess backwaters like Australia will just turn to other hobbies.


They aren't paying anywhere near $490 though. As usual. But I have seen people complaining about the price, but I don't know if it is any more than the usual levels.


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QUOTE(Blackhearts Reaver @ Aug 17 2018, 10:50 AM) *

Not complaining.


That was directed at Mango. tongue.gif

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It has accelerated and been pushed not only to the limit but to actually past the limit in this case. $490 for a box set must be getting close to the elastic snapback.... smile.gif In the 1990's 2000's would the target market have spent 2-3 weeks rent on a board game? (minimum wage > share house/unit)

GW has been pushing prices to see where the maximum is (rules vs price) . The new age of $165-250 miniatures came and went >> Stormsurge/ Greater Daemons/ Punching up Knights from $155>$185 with one more halfsprue/ Baneblades etc

I guess we will see if $490 makes the Americans/British/gemans blink? If it doesn't and prices keep smashing the wallet , i guess backwaters like Australia will just turn to other hobbies.


RE: Target market.

Despite being sold through GW, it's obvious this game is intended for the type of gamer who's already dropped ludicrous amounts of cash on FW stuff and has very, very deep pockets. (Ever worked out how much it costs to do a pure 30K force with nothing but genuine, brand new FW stuff?)

They're going after the kind of gamer who remembered playing the original 30 years ago, has lots of disposable income now the kids have moved out of home and the mortgage is paid off, and doesn't balk at throwing down hundreds (let alone thousands) on warhammers.

As Krefey said, they're not paying $490 - that's just the usual Australia gouging pricing. I think it's 175GBP over there? That's less than one of those Custodes drop ships that FW are selling.


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QUOTE(Occulto @ Aug 17 2018, 12:42 PM) *


They're going after the kind of gamer who remembered playing the original 30 years ago, has lots of disposable income now the kids have moved out of home and the mortgage is paid off, and doesn't balk at throwing down hundreds (let alone thousands) on warhammers. Whales



Not only did they invalidate the old models with new scale changes, pushing out a deluxe version places it out of reach for the average gamer. Perhaps G.W figure they arent going to win back any of the people that left by doing a major reboot and just milk the whales instead.

I had a look at a box opening review, they included extra different shoulder pads and an alternate head but no optional weapons. Its odd they would choose this over including optional weapons instead which would be far more useful.

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RRP of $180 for one titan....that's f'ing ridiculous. Even if it was plated in 24k gold....looks like the only sensible way to play this is with the 6mm originals biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(zap123 @ Aug 17 2018, 03:55 PM) *

RRP of $180 for one titan....that's f'ing ridiculous. Even if it was plated in 24k gold....looks like the only sensible way to play this is with the 6mm originals biggrin.gif


Or print them from files on thingiverse tongue.gif


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Proxy them with Figma kancolle girls !


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Proxy them with Figma kancolle girls !


...many of which are considerably more expensive and somewhat more odd.
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Limited edition nature means that price doubles immediately if you didnt purchase them during the production run.

Plenty of options to proxy to choose from, I'd imagine that building them from Lego has also become a price viable option now as well.


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This looks like it will be a fantastic game in regards to the atmosphere/theme and also the visual beauty of the miniatures and terrain. I'm prepared to pay more money than I normally would for a game like this when it has plastic miniatures of unequalled quality and detail.

Rules? I hope they are cool and fun to play! I must watch some Youtube gameplay reviews/reports.

I've heard that in the coming months, there will be further plastic kits for Reaver and Warhound Titans, no doubt there will be different Knights as well.

I've also heard that the Warlords have 3 plastic sprues, a Skeleton sprue, an Armour sprue and a Weapon sprue. The Skeleton sprue will always be used, however plastic upgrade kits will provide different Weapon and Armour sprues to make variant Warlord Titans, like the Lucius Pattern for instance.

I hope they do the same for the Reaver and Warhound Titans.

I've also heard that there will be some resin components made available as well...I'm guessing maybe things that are less common or less popular and don't justify a plastic sprue.

I love the modular plastic buildings too!

I wonder if the scale of these new models are more "in-scale" with the Epic: Armageddon vehicles/troops/aircraft etc, than the previous official models were???

Will we eventually see this game stretch out to include a full range of new Epic miniatures in plastic and thus evolve into a new Epic style/type of game!

Monkey Nuts hopes so smile.gif

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