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post Sep 16 2018, 10:56 AM
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Great work on the terrain - are they Blind Pig Laser terrain?
I always fall down with making the rubble around the ruins look genuine and practical...

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post Sep 17 2018, 08:50 PM
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I meant to finish off the update over the weekend, but my pet Astropath's head exploded and I had to get a new one. Head, that is. Do you know how much a MISB Astropath costs these days?

Incidentally, for anyone wondering about the Honoured Imperium statue's scale, here's an Epic Rhino and a 40K Marine for comparison:

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I'm thinking of calling it the Statue of Liberty-Is-Heresy.


QUOTE(JumpingJehovah @ Sep 16 2018, 10:56 AM) *

Great work on the terrain - are they Blind Pig Laser terrain?
I always fall down with making the rubble around the ruins look genuine and practical...

- Kendall


Yep, they're BPlaser prototypes. Heble got fed up with waiting for someone (e.g. me) to get around to painting them for photos, though, so apparently there are more betterer versions now. With separate windows to stick on for ease of painting. I am envy. Not that I can complain, having acquired the prototypes for free. unsure.gif

The rubble on the ruined Basilica is only there because the buildings came pre-glued and I had to smash the roof in so I'd be able to move minis around inside. armata_PDT_07.gif

I nicked some rough builder's sand from my dad and sieved it into two sizes--one to replenish the desert-board tub, and the other for rubble. In fact I took the opportunity to go back and improve the rubbliness of the Undead dance floor, I mean temple:


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QUOTE(Blackhearts Reaver @ Sep 16 2018, 09:29 AM) *

are you just masking out the windows for the base colour ?


I haven't done any masking or taping of windows because, you see, I am an idiot. armata_PDT_05.gif

Further proof of my tremendous intelligence: One of the prototype buildings had its corner towers unglued. I kept forgetting this, so every time I picked it up while idly pondering whether or not to start painting it, I'd hold it by one of the corner towers only for a 6mm pratfall to ensue.

After endless irritation and mystification as to why the towers alone had been left separate, I decided that the very first bloody thing I'd do when I finally worked up the determination to slap paint on them was to PVA the hell out of 'em.

Only after the glue had set like the proverbial rock did I realise that quite a lot of those tiny windows were now pointing inward at each other inside a gap too narrow to reach with a paintbrush.

Oh.

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Aaaanyway. The Honoured Imperium terrain also came with an aquila-shaped hill thing. Which I also propose to use for Epic. The Imperium does like its architecture big and dumb.

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I don't usually use thinnish card for bases as they tend to warp, but in this case I didn't have anything else suitable.

The hill has a few skulls scattered about (my word, what an unexpected sight), so I smothered them in sand to hide the intended scale.



Naturally I forgot to put the textured paint on first.

And then managed to glue the hill to the table.

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The 90s had a word for this. How did it go? Oh yeah. Eeeediot.

Back to the MDF buildings... I stuck more bits on the Chaos citadel, taken from cut-up old Heroclix prepainted minis. I doubt I'll bother with the windows--I'll cover them over with filler or something.

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Each of the four towers belongs to a different Chaos God so everyone can have their own hotel rooms and get along famously.

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The Slaaneshi tower is especially tasteful.

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Texturing in progress. Brought to you by Radio National. Which seems to repeat its content an awful lot these days. Fund the ABC, supreme commander!

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Slapping on some black undercoat over the textured paint. You might also spot a very simple landing pad on the left side (in white), designed to go on top of the big towers.

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To add to the slowly accumulating cityscape, I found this 3D foamcard puzzle kit in an op shop for about $2:

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Like the MDF buildings it's a little large for classic Epic, but ought to go well with the swanky new Titanses, yes precious. Er. If I were buying any. Which I'm not. No. Definitely not. Nope. Not me.

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Having learned something from the Great Glued Towers Debacle, I left a few sub-assemblies separate (unusual for me) so I could get to the fiddly bits later on.

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The corners had gaps caused by the folds, so I filled them in with polyfilla. Unfortunately my tub of filla is getting on a bit and it proved a little crumbly. Should have sealed it with PVA after it dried. Oh well.

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I then proceeded to ignore the printed artwork and slather it in textured paint.

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Phew. I think that's everything for this update.

Although... what are these things and how did they end up on my painting desk?

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Yes, I'm afraid they're the Stratagem markers from the new Adeptus Titanicus. I scored the Rules Set for my birthday (woohoo!) Rules seem solid. Like BFG on land, which I approve of. Fluff and artwork sadly sub-par, but I guess it's a small team they've got churning out this Specialist Brands stuff. At least it beats the (utter lack of) proofreading in the Fanatic days...

Of course, I planned to use the new rules with the classic Epic models. After all, the Aussie prices on the new Titans have basically gone to plaid.

And I haven't even tried out the game yet. Using old minis is clearly the prudent course. Right?

I mean, it's not like I've been mad enough to buy into a new GW game in the last five years. I'm far too sensible for that. Right?





Right?







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Help, I fell off the wagon and now I can't get up.

Logic? Reason? Guys. Come on. It's a Reaver Titan. A REAVER TITAN. My most favouritest of Titans. I am but a moth to a bug zapper in the face of such wondrous plasticrack.

Here it is with the carapace blu-tacked on, with an Epic Rhino and old Chaos Warlord Titan for scale:

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I tried to replicate the classic wide-legged stance of the metal minis, because that's how Reavers roll. I didn't like how the officially painted models were all posed with the legs close together in a sort of 'hello, I shall be your waiter for this evening' stance.

Top tip (or possibly tip top?): However you pose the legs, make sure the feet are pointing roughly forward. Otherwise the connectors to the shins won't join up properly. I had to twist the right foot around after gluing. Because I am an eeediot.

I don't know what this Reaver is called or which Legion it's from, but for now I'm calling it Striker Eureka. tongue.gif

However...

Even in the grip of Titanicus Cost Disease, I'm not insane enough to buy a Warlord Titan.

Although these things from the back of the cupboard might just help with that.

Wrong size for 40K. Wrong size for classic Epic. But just maybe the right size for the new game.

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Anime kits? Shiny golden anime kits?

But...

...that's...

...HERESY ohmy.gif

Till next time...

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post Oct 4 2018, 09:21 PM
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Great stuff--looking forward to seeing more of your work onAT. Have to admit the mark-up from UK to AUD prices put me off. Why do we get ripped off. It's all made in China now isn't it? Anyway great stuff smile.gif


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post Oct 8 2018, 10:27 PM
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Tremble in awe before my frequent updates!

...OK, OK, it's not that exciting. Just more WIP Titanicus stuff.

QUOTE(Warburton @ Oct 4 2018, 09:21 PM) *

Great stuff--looking forward to seeing more of your work onAT. Have to admit the mark-up from UK to AUD prices put me off. Why do we get ripped off. It's all made in China now isn't it? Anyway great stuff smile.gif


Yeah, somehow I think the new AT will struggle to take off in Oz. Can't think why... dry.gif

Luckily it's getting a bit more affordable now that the cheaper Titans like the Reaver and Warhounds are showing up.

But it's just nice to have an actual Specialist Game to support again (that isn't being dripfed / milked to death, a la the new Necromunda).

FWIW, the Adeptus Titanicus packaging says 'manufactured in the UK'. I think most GW production is still in-house, apart from some of the terrain kits that use a slightly lower-quality plastic.

Anyway, here's a few more random piccies.


Reaver No. 2! This one voted for Kodos. I mean Horus.

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It took the chainfist as a trophy from an Ork Gargant. Or at least that's what the crew tell everyone when they're not painting their bedrooms red and making disconcerting remarks regarding the bone structure of their allies' heads. I suspect it won't be long before this becomes a Reaver in the Joss Whedon sense...

(The actual buzzsaw bit is from a 40K Ork Killa Kan. I think.)


As usual, I'm working on two opposing forces, which given the price of Titanicus minis is somewhat difficult. But needs must. Here are three loyalist Knights, misguided fools that they are.

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I picked up two Knight packs at once this time, so I could mix and match the weapons a bit. Two are armed with battlecannons while the third has a thermal cannon and melta-gun to do to enemy war engines what December weather does to an unopened Kinder Surprise.

The other three Knights joined the spare I had from the Epic Scout Titan experiment to make a four-strong rebel unit (hah, already we achieve numerical superiority):

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Two have chaingun thingies, one has two melee weapons (!) and the fourth has two thermal cannons and a melta-gun (!!!!) In theory the minigunners will keep other Knights away until the close-up fellas can slice and melt the legs off a Titan.

Incidentally it's a bit weird that per the rules, tiny Knights barely knee-high to a Reaver can hit it in the head with a chainsword. We're Knights of the Round Table, we jump whenever we're able...

Now it just so happens that I had four spare Chaos Warriors left over from that sudden attack of WFB madness a few months back. I was going to save them up for Warhammer Quest, but an idea lodged itself in my brain and I couldn't shake it...

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See, I don't know much about WH40K Knights. I got into Epic after they'd faded from the background, and I haven't kept up with 40K since the fluff went screwy around 5th edition. So I had no hook to reel me in.

Until I read that each Knight is controlled by just one pilot.

Well now. That reminds me of something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfjn6BTe8T4

(I don't like the old English dub much, but I can't find a version with subtitles, and the voice acting is reasonably tolerable in this scene.)

Which led me to this little conversion attempt...

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These are pretty rough at the moment--I had to hack up the cloaks and the backs of the Knights something nasty to get them to fit. I'm still trying to figure out how to cover up the gaps. Whether they can turn invisible is yet to be determined. tongue.gif

Speaking of Japanese animanimanimation, I got to work on those proxy Warlord Titans with the help of two spare bases.

The kits themselves are Five Star Stories mecha thingies that I brought home long, long ago because I thought they looked vaguely Eldaresque. In fact, although I'm counting them as Warlords for now, they might get repurposed as Phantom Titans someday.

Here's the first one undergoing buildification:

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That's, like, really tall, man.

To my immense frustration it turned out that the reason this one was shiny and golden was because it had been sprayed with shiny gold chrome. Plastic glue does not like this. So I had to assemble it with superglue. Oh the many swears.

(Of course afterward I realised I could've just scraped the chrome off the joiny bits to expose the plastic beneath. But we've already established my IQ in this thread, haven't we now.)

Fortunately the second kit had apparently learned its lesson and didn't repeat this gimmick, instead going with bog-standard plastic.

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This one is so fabulous it even has high heels. No comment.

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I do actually have a halfway decent fluff justification for these. The general idea is that they're ceremonial display pieces, like those ornamental swords you used to get in medieval times--meant for parades and looking impressive in big Imperial shrines, rather than combat. But the Horus Heresy needed every Titan on deck, no matter how fab and glam it looked, so off to war they went. And then someone blew up the only forge-moon that knew how to make them. Oops.

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Test fit for the weapons--one is a spare Reaver gun, while the other is from a Gundam kit:

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But tonight's Random Award goes to this Micro Machines helicopter that's been kicking around my bits box for an eternity. It looks roughly the right scale for a ginormous heavy attack chopper, and is ridiculously over-gunned... just the sort of thing an Imperial city might keep around on the top of a building in case of giant stompy robots. No idea what I'll use it for in a game, though...

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In less heretical zones of the imagination, I slapped a few base colours onto the first batch of buildings:

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The cathedral continues its slow progress toward a paintable state:

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And we even managed to get in a test game of Adeptus Titanicus! Just one Reaver and three Knights per side, playing with the basic rules only.

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Even at this very simple level, the game was good fun and featured plenty of tactical choices--mostly to do with the movement phase, such as trying to box in the other player's Titan with Knights and stop it moving away after a Reaver charge. The basilica adorned with Space Crusade statues proved a favourite of said Knights because it gave them a bit of cover from the big scary fellas.

Amusingly the game ended in an exact mirror match draw, with two Knights dead on each side, and both Reavers sporting severe but not terminal damage to one location. Jeez these things can take a pounding.

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Feels very much like Battlefleet Gothic on land. I approve. armata_PDT_34.gif

Next thing on the list is Warhounds to get some teamwork happening on the board. Stay tuned...


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post Oct 9 2018, 10:17 AM
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QUOTE(Zenithfleet @ Oct 8 2018, 11:27 PM) *

Tremble in awe before my frequent updates!

I do tremble 'cos I hadn't got around to replying to the last two updates yet! I thought I had time. tongue.gif

Love the Epic scenery. The use of Space Crusade marines is an idea I might have to copy. They are a bit too goofy for modern 40K, but well within artistic licence for a sculptor. The cathedral is mostly great. All the side and details look good, but I think it would look much better if you could find a replacement for the main dome.

I adore the tiny knights. Especially the chaos ones. And I think the warp amp from the chaos rhino kit being used as a warlord faceplate is genius.

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post Oct 9 2018, 10:48 PM
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QUOTE(Yaleling @ Oct 9 2018, 10:17 AM) *

I do tremble 'cos I hadn't got around to replying to the last two updates yet! I thought I had time. tongue.gif

Love the Epic scenery. The use of Space Crusade marines is an idea I might have to copy. They are a bit too goofy for modern 40K, but well within artistic licence for a sculptor. The cathedral is mostly great. All the side and details look good, but I think it would look much better if you could find a replacement for the main dome.

I adore the tiny knights. Especially the chaos ones. And I think the warp amp from the chaos rhino kit being used as a warlord faceplate is genius.


Hey, you're back! I thought I'd scared you off (again) with all those links to old cartoons. armata_PDT_04.gif

I've been saving up those Space Crusade guys for a long time because a) I love them and b) they just don't look right next to any regular 40K Marines, even my old 2nd ed ones.

One thing I would caution you about, though: Using an iconic 28mm model like a Marine for Epic terrain is risky because the eye is used to seeing it as the default / yardstick / focal point for judging 'normal-sized' scenery. It can trick you into seeing Epic terrain as toy buildings around a normal-sized Marine, rather than big buildings around a really big statue. I think I got away with it this time, but only because there's that huge Honoured Imperium statue as well to overshadow it on the board.

I wish you hadn't said that about the cathedral dome, because I have to admit you're right. dry.gif I was treating it as a quick 'n' dirty terrain piece because it was so cheap, and didn't really stop to look at it properly. Now that you point it out, it does look a bit bleh. Might see if I can find a plastic bowl or something to use instead.

And I'm afraid I changed my mind about the warp amp and removed it from the blue Chaos Titan. At the time, I thought we'd be using classic Epic models for Titanicus, and decided I'd need one that could be either loyal or rebel. So I ripped its warpy face off and stuck on a standard plastic Warlord face. Now I've gone back to the Chaos idea and changed my mind yet again... but haven't decided on a replacement head yet. Fickle are the ways of Chaos. armata_PDT_11.gif


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QUOTE(Zenithfleet @ Oct 9 2018, 11:48 PM) *
I wish you hadn't said that about the cathedral dome, because I have to admit you're right. dry.gif I was treating it as a quick 'n' dirty terrain piece because it was so cheap, and didn't really stop to look at it properly. Now that you point it out, it does look a bit bleh. Might see if I can find a plastic bowl or something to use instead.

I'm (mostly) sorry for pointing it out then. armata_PDT_10.gif I hate the idea of taking away someone's contentment with work they've done.
Buuuuuuut, the rest of it came out really well. Also I know it doesn't help you at all, but there are a couple of things in my kitchen (the balloon part of a disposable plastic wine glass) and terrain bitz box (jelly desert cups from my last hospital visit), that look like they'd fit the job perfectly.


QUOTE(Zenithfleet @ Oct 9 2018, 11:48 PM) *
And I'm afraid I changed my mind about the warp amp and removed it from the blue Chaos Titan. At the time, I thought we'd be using classic Epic models for Titanicus, and decided I'd need one that could be either loyal or rebel. So I ripped its warpy face off and stuck on a standard plastic Warlord face. Now I've gone back to the Chaos idea and changed my mind yet again... but haven't decided on a replacement head yet. Fickle are the ways of Chaos. armata_PDT_11.gif

Sounds appropriately chaotic to me. biggrin.gif


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Zen updated that diary
He posted today
Zen updated that diareeeee
It ain't even May


I seem to be suffering from a peculiar urge to do my bit and support the nascent (embryonic if you will) Adeptus Titanicus with regular diary ramblings. It's not often I get the chance to jump on board with a new Specialist Game. In fact I think this is the first time. Usually I wait till all the fuss has moved on and then quietly move in to scavenge the abandoned ruins like some kind of rodent of unusual size.

Tonight's just a mini-update though... all about big robot puppies. Awooo.

QUOTE(Yaleling @ Oct 10 2018, 02:58 PM) *

I'm (mostly) sorry for pointing it out then. armata_PDT_10.gif I hate the idea of taking away someone's contentment with work they've done.
Buuuuuuut, the rest of it came out really well. Also I know it doesn't help you at all, but there are a couple of things in my kitchen (the balloon part of a disposable plastic wine glass) and terrain bitz box (jelly desert cups from my last hospital visit), that look like they'd fit the job perfectly.


Don't be sorry--it's useful constructive criticism. You know how you can be so focused on a project sometimes that you only see the idealised image of it in your mind's eye rather than the actual flaws right in front of you? Better I sort it out now than realise it looks dodgy once everything's painted.

The rest of it is basically just textured paint with no decoration whatsoever, so it's not exactly high art. I'm just assuming the cathedral's so old that acid rain has corroded all the Imperial carvings into shapeless blebs. biggrin.gif

Getting back to Adepticustic Titanoclasticus... these arrived today!

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Considering I pre-ordered them nearly a fortnight ago, I wasn't too impressed. Turned out they were at the post office all week, but nobody had left a card to tell me. I'd blame an Administratum error, except I don't think they exist in the 31st millennium.

Nice kit. I never much liked Warhounds in old Epic or the 28mm-scaled Forgeworld version, but for some reason I reckon these look great.

The legs are paired, but you can swap the left and right legs depending on which foot you want forward.

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Unlike the bigger Titans, the armour plates don't cover up too many of the mechy bits underneath. So you can happily glue them on rather than leaving them off to paint separately. Or at least that's what I did.

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Even better, the Warhound box actually comes with all the weapon options. Two of each. Not gonna help if you have some mad plan to kit out every single Warpuppy with twin inferno guns (which mind you is tempting), but coupled with the relative not-insane price of the kit, it does mean that we might be able to WYSIWYGify these models.

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Of course there's not-so-hidden extra costs (the weapon card packs, and the terminals since you'll probably have more Warhounds than anything else)... but meh, you can photocopy those if you really have to.

Here's a finished loyalist Warpoodle looking appropriately growly and barky. Guns brought to you by the mighty Cerulean Tacitus. happy.gif

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We'll probably try it out in a few games before settling on weapon loadouts.

And now I'm gonna post a picture of the other Warhound, right? Which will look pretty much the same as the first one, only it'll be a Horus hound so it might look ever so slightly growlier and barkier. Right?

That's what the kit thought it would look like. Until it saw that mad Mekboy gleam in my eye.

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This old plastic robot dinosaur toy--from the same treasure trove that bequeathed my Epic Orks an Evil Sunz battlefortress--just so happened to have a head almost the same size as a Warstaffy's bone-box.

A bit of work with a (dangerously blunt) hobby saw, and I had the pieces I needed:

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Why settle for a Wardalmatian when you can have... a WARDINO? Or possibly WARASAUR?

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The plate on the head came from a Reaver's knee. You should have seen the other fella.

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Fixing the tail on proved a bit tricky. The problem was to hide the join. It's hard to see in the pic below due to the blur, but I ended up using a spare head plate from one of the Warwuffles's optional heads and a couple of fingers from a Reaver power fist (!)

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The tail didn't look right without a bit of armour at the tip, but I struggled to find anything in my meagre bits box that didn't look Slaaneshi from the wrong angle. Eventually I settled on a 2nd ed vehicle searchlight. It'll do.

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The finishing touch was to glue a couple of big hooks to the feet (or thereabouts) to symbolically approximate the affinity of this noble god-engine with the most coolestest dinosaur ever. No it's not called Velociraptor mutter grumble mutter.

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(True story: My no.1 fave dino as a kid was Deinonychus, with the big claws on the feet and everything. All the other kids like T-Rex, but that was just soooo populist, man. Then some movie called Jurassic Lark or something comes out and to my dismay features a dinosaur that isn't in any of my dinosaur books yet is apparently just like Deinonychus except cooler. My no.1 fave is an also-ran. I am inconsolable.

Fast forward a decade or two and I finally learn that they got the names wrong and Velociraptors were actually little ickle angry chicken things and the dinos in the movie really ought to have been called... wait for it... Deinonychus. But it's too late and now every Fred Bloggs in the world calls them raptors. Why no, I'm not bitter at all.)


But now I shall have my revenge! Revenge, I say! Me! The one they said was mad!

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Prepare to be terrorised! Or possibly maximised, depending on allegiance. There may also be incidents involving golden discos. Or something.

That's it for the present interval of temporal... uh... time. I'm planning to grab another pair of Warbaltos at some point, so each side can have two. Sadly I don't have another dinosaur toy handy, so I'll have to think of something even sillier to perpetrate on the one I get. Still, we'll then have a Venator light maniple each (one Reaver and two puppies). And *Scottish accent* then we'll see some fun. cool.gif

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Very cool. The Deinonychus / Raptor confusion from Jurassic Park has been one of the big disappointments of my life too.


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