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WargamerAU Forums _ Warmachine & Hordes General Discussion _ PP Forums gutted - Pressgangers disbanded

Posted by: maddermax Mar 8 2017, 12:21 AM

After a cryptic announcement that there would be changes to the Forum last week, PP have just gutted the forums, removing all the faction specific forums and the the general discussion forum - essentially taking away anywhere to talk about the game itself, beyond rules questions. Any questions about where to post stuff have received replies of essentially "find a 3rd party forum".

While the Forums had been pretty annoying due to the amount of requests and petitions recently, there was a pretty decent community on there, and it seems a bit drastic to remove it all without giving at least a heads up that it might happen, or allowing any discussion about what other forums people were going to. Just seems like an odd move after PP had seemed to be trying to be more responsive to the community generally...

Posted by: Angry_Norway Mar 8 2017, 08:58 AM

The deletion was done in a very odd way.

It is worth mentioning that it had a sharp spike in Toxicity in the last few months, ultimately though I spent a reasonable amount of time their I don't particularly miss it at this point.

Posted by: Arch_Magos_Kasen Mar 8 2017, 10:35 AM

I hope they were environmentally responsible when they disposed of all that toxic waste.

Posted by: Chaplain_Fortis Mar 8 2017, 12:49 PM

Petitions?

Posted by: morsla Mar 8 2017, 01:08 PM

Sad to see. Whatever the trigger for making the change, it's been handled terribly: taking a large owned community and breaking it apart, directing people in an active and engaged audience to "look for third-party sites" to take those discussions to.

Posted by: Strobe Mar 8 2017, 01:32 PM

QUOTE(Chaplain_Fortis @ Mar 8 2017, 01:49 PM) *
Petitions?


I think maddermax is referring to the people who would direct a petition to Privateer Press staff directly calling for action (like nerf this, fix that) and not really discussing the issues.

I am saddened that the forum content is gone. I know people from the Cryx section have saved some using the Way Back Machine and whatnot. Hopefully people can get together again at http://lormahordes.freeforums.net/to continue their discussions.

Posted by: maddermax Mar 8 2017, 06:47 PM

QUOTE(Chaplain_Fortis @ Mar 8 2017, 12:49 PM) *

Petitions?


Since PP made it known that they will respond to community input and feelings in regard to errata, every second thread became buff this, nerf that, X is ruining the game, sign my petition. The solution to all that would be to ban Petitions or move them all to another forum away from general and faction forums, thus allowing the regular forums to get back to talking about the actual game, not constantly biatching about it or trying to "fix" it. Despite Magos' feelings on the matter, there was a fairly decent community under all that, and while some of the faction forums were nothing but salt mines, many were pretty good and helpful.

The really strange thing though is that PP are opening a new Community-Integrated-Development forum for people to put in criticism and suggestions for the game - so it's like they've gotten rid of the forums only to go and bring back the most annoying parts...

Anywho, what's done is done, it was just a terrible way to go about doing it, especially considering PP have usually been fairly decent with dealing with the community for the most part.

Posted by: Strobe Mar 9 2017, 08:14 AM

From what I've seen about the CID (mostly inferred from the user agreement) they will be heavy handed with moderation of the forum. It is very specific in focus about only the models currently under test.

I'll still check it out but it seems like it won't be a place for open discussion.

Posted by: Chaplain_Fortis Mar 9 2017, 04:33 PM

I imagine they are going to facebook.

Posted by: maddermax Mar 10 2017, 12:26 PM

Oh, and The Pressgangers have been disbanded:

http://privateerpress.com/press-releases/privateer-press-pg-announcement

That's... I mean Christ, what the hell? The community outreach stuff was one of their main selling points, which allowed them to get as big as they have, now they've thrown it all out. Just... odd. What the hell is the game plan here?

Posted by: Arch_Magos_Kasen Mar 10 2017, 12:36 PM

I have a strong suspicion that people are dramatically overreacting to what are probably relatively inoffensive changes - companies change these sorts of programs all the time for instance.

However since, in my years of experience, the gaming community as a whole has a large minority of salty, petulant children who take every change or disappointment as a personal affront, I'm sure this will end with the same ranting and tantrums as WFB saw with the introduction of AoS, or any kickstarter that deviates even slightly from what was promised receives.

Posted by: morsla Mar 10 2017, 12:44 PM

It's the end of an era, and I think it's a huge shame to disband a close-knit community with so much shared knowledge about how to get players, store owners, convention organisers etc cooperating to make events work. I haven't been a PG for a couple of years now, but learned a hell of a lot from the other PGs over the 12-odd years I was part of that program.

I suspect that it's been done because of the WotC judges issue (needing to pay "volunteers" and all the associated legal stuff).

Posted by: Chaplain_Fortis Mar 10 2017, 12:53 PM

I suspect they may have recently brought on board a lawyer in regard to community engagement who quite rightly had an immediate nervous breakdown looking at all the things they were doing poorly and advised them to burn everything.

Basic legal reporting on the WotC judge suit which seems to cover pressgangers just as easily:
http://blog.legalsolutions.thomsonreuters.com/top-legal-news/magic-card-game-judges-sue-for-lost-wages-claim-to-be-employees/

Posted by: Pete Dunn Mar 10 2017, 02:01 PM

QUOTE(Arch_Magos_Kasen @ Mar 10 2017, 03:36 PM) *


However since, in my years of experience, the gaming community as a whole has a large minority of salty, petulant children who take every change or disappointment as a personal affront, I'm sure this will end with the same ranting and tantrums as WFB saw with the introduction of AoS, or any kickstarter that deviates even slightly from what was promised receives.


Or election that doesn't provide the "right" result armata_PDT_37.gif

Posted by: Zippy Wonderdog Mar 10 2017, 02:50 PM

QUOTE(Chaplain_Fortis @ Mar 10 2017, 01:53 PM) *

Basic legal reporting on the WotC judge suit which seems to cover pressgangers just as easily:
http://blog.legalsolutions.thomsonreuters.com/top-legal-news/magic-card-game-judges-sue-for-lost-wages-claim-to-be-employees/


I hadn't thought of these programs as that before, but it seems fair that the judges would want some recompense. I mean some of the M:TG tournaments have substantial monetary prizes so why wouldn't they want a slice of that especially if their position restricts or bans them from participating.

If the trial is successful, and this seems quite likely, then it pretty much ends any other program similar to it. Its not as if a company like PP could start paying its pressgangers a wage, the number of pressgangers is probably larger than the company itself several times over.


Posted by: Arch_Magos_Kasen Mar 10 2017, 03:08 PM

QUOTE(Pete Dunn @ Mar 10 2017, 03:01 PM) *

Or election that doesn't provide the "right" result armata_PDT_37.gif

Hahaha you're an idiot.

I take mandollies significantly less seriously than the rise of fascism. One of these things is a hobby, the other kills people.

Posted by: Chaplain_Fortis Mar 10 2017, 03:43 PM

QUOTE
If the trial is successful, and this seems quite likely, then it pretty much ends any other program similar to it. Its not as if a company like PP could start paying its pressgangers a wage, the number of pressgangers is probably larger than the company itself several times over.

It settled veeeeeeeeeeeery quickly.

Posted by: maddermax Mar 10 2017, 06:45 PM

Hmm, the lawsuit could be the impetus, but PPs move coming so soon after the shut down of most of the forums is just terrible timing.

QUOTE(Chaplain_Fortis @ Mar 10 2017, 03:43 PM) *

It settled veeeeeeeeeeeery quickly.


Did it? Haven't seen any info on the case being resolved or settled yet when I looked. Got a link?

Posted by: Chaplain_Fortis Mar 10 2017, 07:20 PM

Sorry got it twisted for a minute. Uber drivers settled. Magic would be dumb not to.

Posted by: Kerensky Mar 11 2017, 09:50 AM

As one of the disbanded, Id just like to say while we were dissapointed and shocked by the decisions; we are resolute in our commitment to bring the games to the people!
If you need or want help setting up an event, running one or hunting resources to do so yourself, do not hesitate to drop myself or any pf the active volunteers a message.

The Privateers Press Forward!

Posted by: Jagged Tooth Grin Mar 11 2017, 01:28 PM

PP is now big enough to take a dump on their community outreach and online forum presence, secure in the knowledge that no young upstart company will fill the void they have created. Because really, what are the odds of that happening a second time?!

it's the circle of life~

Posted by: Chaplain_Fortis Mar 11 2017, 02:03 PM

Sounds like the forum was a cesspool of gross and that the community outreach had legal issues. I think it seems like a sound idea to rethink the approach. It's been 14 years, the internet is different and the community outreach concept is different. I'm sure they'll relaunch with something else.

Posted by: mydnight Mar 11 2017, 10:29 PM

QUOTE(Jagged Tooth Grin @ Mar 11 2017, 02:28 PM) *

PP is now big enough to take a dump on their community outreach and online forum presence, secure in the knowledge that no young upstart company will fill the void they have created. Because really, what are the odds of that happening a second time?!

it's the circle of life~


The best part it all the recent hoohar and MKiii has made us forget that PP effectively destroyed online retailers of their product and am now forcing everyone to pay brick and mortar prices. $70-$80 for a heavy?

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