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post Aug 24 2014, 09:07 AM
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Vindicare has a special rule called Deadshot that makes all his successful hits (bar snap shots) into precision shots.

My reading of this is any hit can be allocated. A friend doesn't seem to like this interpretation. Keen to get others input here.

"Dead shot: all successful To Hit rolls made by a Vindicare Assassin, excluding snap shots, have the Precision Shots special rule"

"Wounds from precision shots are allocated against a model (or models) of your choice...."

As Vindicare doesn't have the special rule Precision Shots we ignore the first sentence under the rules description.
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post Aug 24 2014, 09:32 AM
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"Dead shot: all successful To Hit rolls made by a Vindicare Assassin, excluding snap shots, have the Precision Shots special rule"


What else do you need?


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post Aug 24 2014, 09:46 AM
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QUOTE(Starfire @ Aug 24 2014, 09:32 AM) *

What else do you need?



That's my thoughts too, but some still argue that the shots must be under the special rule and it's only on 6's.

As long as it's not just me who sees it as clear.

Thanks.
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post Aug 24 2014, 10:11 AM
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If it were on 6s they would have just called it precision shot and not Deadshot.
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post Aug 24 2014, 10:56 AM
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The new Datasheet for Assassins came out yesterday.

Vindicare has "Deadshot" read "Precision Shot" except snap fire cannot be precision.

He/she also has "No Escape" which is -2 to the "Look Out Sir" roll.

Still not as good as he/she was and more expensive to boot.

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post Aug 24 2014, 11:01 AM
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BRB, P169
"Precision Shots
If a model with this special rule rolls a 6
To Hit with a shooting weapon, that shot
is a 'Precision Shot'."

So the Vindicare has the special rule, so on a 6 he can allocate the wound.


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post Aug 24 2014, 11:15 AM
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QUOTE(ĆON @ Aug 24 2014, 11:01 AM) *

BRB, P169
"Precision Shots
If a model with this special rule rolls a 6
To Hit with a shooting weapon, that shot
is a 'Precision Shot'."

So the Vindicare has the special rule, so on a 6 he can allocate the wound.



Deadshot rule " All successful To Hit rolls made by the Vindicare Assassin, excluding snap shots, have the Precision Shot rule. "

The wording is a little poor but the intent is well and truly clear VA allocates the wound and you try and Lookout Sir.

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post Aug 24 2014, 11:27 AM
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Vindicare shots get the "precision shot" rule, which is the effect one gains when you roll a six with the "precision shots" rule. They are named different things. Vindicare allocates all shots.

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post Aug 24 2014, 11:46 AM
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QUOTE(downunderork @ Aug 24 2014, 11:15 AM) *

Deadshot rule " All successful To Hit rolls made by the Vindicare Assassin, excluding snap shots, have the Precision Shot rule. "

The wording is a little poor but the intent is well and truly clear VA allocates the wound and you try and Lookout Sir.

R.


“Deadshot: All successful To Hit rolls made by a Vindicare Assassin, excluding Snap Shots, have the Precision Shots special rule.”

What Does the Precision Shots Special Rule State?

"If a model with this special rule rolls a 6 To Hit with a shooting weapon, that shot is a 'Precision Shot'."

Edit - Im going from the epub file; what file type are people reading 'Precision Shot' from instead of 'Precision Shots'?

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post Aug 24 2014, 12:34 PM
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I think the point is that he does not have the Precision shot special rule. His hits do.

So we ignore the first sentence of the special rule completely.
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post Aug 24 2014, 12:50 PM
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QUOTE(downunderork @ Aug 24 2014, 11:15 AM) *

Deadshot rule " All successful To Hit rolls made by the Vindicare Assassin, excluding snap shots, have the Precision Shot rule. "

The wording is a little poor but the intent is well and truly clear VA allocates the wound and you try and Lookout Sir.

R.


That's pretty much been the intent of the VA marksman abilities since the 2nd ed mini dex. The Deadshot ability in the previous ed. GK codex shared the same intent sans additional modifier to the LoS roll..
I read it as
"Precision Sot" rule... where you apply the "effect" of the PS RAW to any successful basic to hit roll
rather than making the
"Precision Shot rule" apply on a successful to hit roll and then only come into effect if the roll was a 6.
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post Aug 24 2014, 01:46 PM
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QUOTE(ĆON @ Aug 24 2014, 11:31 AM) *

BRB, P169
"Precision Shots
If a model with this special rule rolls a 6
To Hit with a shooting weapon, that shot
is a 'Precision Shot'."

So the Vindicare has the special rule, so on a 6 he can allocate the wound.


The Vindicare model does not have that rule. The model has a different rule that makes all hits Precision Shots.


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post Aug 24 2014, 02:19 PM
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I think deadshot is refering to the plural of precision shot(effect), but the wording "special rule" implies it is actually the precision shots(special rule).


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Ok I was incorrect about that one.
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post Aug 24 2014, 02:26 PM
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Do sniper weapons still have the precision shots special rule this edition? Hardy seems fair to pay for his points but only get the effect on 6s
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post Aug 24 2014, 02:37 PM
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QUOTE(HAMi the HAMMER @ Aug 24 2014, 02:26 PM) *

Do sniper weapons still have the precision shots special rule this edition? Hardy seems fair to pay for his points but only get the effect on 6s


Sniper gives "6 to hit, that shot is a 'precision shot'."


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Ok I was incorrect about that one.
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QUOTE(Charlie_W @ Aug 24 2014, 01:46 PM) *

The Vindicare model does not have that rule. The model has a different rule that makes all hits Precision Shots.

No, if the Vindicare Assassin rolls a 6 to hit then he gains "the Precision Shots special rule.

You cant ignore part of the special rule just because you dont like it.



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post Aug 24 2014, 04:04 PM
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But that's not what the rule says, it says if the Vindicaire rolls a hit - he gains precision shot.

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QUOTE(BearPowers @ Aug 24 2014, 04:04 PM) *

But that's not what the rule says, it says if the Vindicaire rolls a hit - he gains precision shot.


“Deadshot: All successful To Hit rolls made by a Vindicare Assassin, excluding Snap Shots, have the Precision Shots special rule.”

That is literally the rule; it says "Precision Shots special rule." Not Precision Shot.


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post Aug 24 2014, 04:38 PM
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when does he gain the precision shot special rule until?

since we are using the most extreme RAW here, he gains the special rule after the shot has been made, so it would not impact the shot he just took. as he cant another shot that turn to benefit from the precision shot he just gained.

also this is dumb, its pretty clear what is intended.
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