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Posted by: Behemoth Oct 11 2013, 01:00 PM

Dauthus in 2015 will be it's 10th anniversary and I want to make it big! As such I am planning things now and here's what I have so far.

Date - 21st and 22nd February 2015

Trophies part 1 - Looking at getting some Primarch models. Commission painted by Matt Cross.

Trophies part 2 - A trophy for each army type to present to highest ranking player of that army.

Trophies part 3 - I was beaten by Pony Boy trophy if PB attends.

Accommodation - I will speak to GN committee about allowing people to sleep in the hall over night. Inter-stater's very much encouraged to attend.

Food - small extra charge and I will provide a buffet dinner on the Saturday night (wife will cook).

I will see if I can get some local media coverage to attend.

I will get a Liquor license to cover the Friday, Saturday and Sunday.


If anyone else has a suggestion on what I can do to make this a HUGE event then post here.

Cheers
Simon

Posted by: dominus nox Oct 11 2013, 01:01 PM

Open bar?

Posted by: Behemoth Oct 11 2013, 01:02 PM

QUOTE(dominus nox @ Oct 11 2013, 02:01 PM) *

Open bar?


BYO for the weekend. I will get Liquor license to cover the Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

Posted by: cool_conoly Oct 11 2013, 01:03 PM

Ill be happy to fly back If i have somewhere to sleep! Adn ill try and drag some of my new NSW buddies with me!

Posted by: Demon Oct 11 2013, 01:09 PM

QUOTE(cool_conoly @ Oct 11 2013, 01:03 PM) *

Ill be happy to fly back If i have somewhere to sleep! Adn ill try and drag some of my new NSW buddies with me!



This will probably be all the draw card you need

Posted by: Demon Oct 11 2013, 01:09 PM

Numero Uno, advertise. And advertise early, like end half of 2014. Not just on here, but at GW's LGS's other clubs, universities and community noticeboards around the area. Big eye catching posters and pamphlets.

Rope in as many non competing club members as you can as helper bees for things like bbqs, drink sales, photos, data entry.


Posted by: Charlie_W Oct 11 2013, 04:30 PM

Strippers?

Posted by: Behemoth Oct 11 2013, 04:32 PM

QUOTE(Charlie_W @ Oct 11 2013, 05:30 PM) *

Strippers?


What's your going rate Charles?

Posted by: Charlie_W Oct 11 2013, 04:34 PM

Let me sleep in the hall and everyone will see me naked at some point...

Posted by: dominus nox Oct 11 2013, 08:03 PM

QUOTE(dominus nox @ Oct 11 2013, 12:31 PM) *

Open bar?



QUOTE(Charlie_W @ Oct 11 2013, 04:00 PM) *

Strippers?


Sounds like a pro tournament to me.

Posted by: Charlie_W Oct 11 2013, 08:05 PM

QUOTE(dominus nox @ Oct 11 2013, 08:33 PM) *

Sounds like a pro tournament to me.


I was gonna stop at strippers, but if you think we should bring in some pros too...

Posted by: Harvey Birdman Dec 23 2013, 07:15 AM

In fact, forget the blackjack and the 40K!
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Posted by: The Nothas Dec 23 2013, 09:42 AM

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Strippers?


But most of the attendees will surely be blokes, why would we want strippers? I don't want to see another dude's junk.

Posted by: Charlie_W Dec 23 2013, 11:41 AM

QUOTE(The Nothas @ Dec 23 2013, 09:12 AM) *

But most of the attendees will surely be blokes, why would we want strippers? I don't want to see another dude's junk.


I don't think "not wanting it" is going to stop it from happening.

Posted by: zero Dec 23 2013, 05:50 PM

QUOTE(Charlie_W @ Dec 23 2013, 10:41 AM) *

I don't think "not wanting it" is going to stop it from happening.


CHARLES
GHARLES
GHIRLES
GILESEY

omg!

Posted by: gutsmaka Feb 23 2014, 08:07 PM

my I tentatively suggest forgeworld?

Posted by: Behemoth Mar 1 2014, 11:41 AM

QUOTE(gutsmaka @ Feb 23 2014, 09:07 PM) *

my I tentatively suggest forgeworld?


Surprisingly, I am actually leaning towards allowing FW.

Posted by: WitchFinderGeneral Mar 1 2014, 12:58 PM

Why not? Its not like PonyBoy and the rest haven't broken 40k already....

Posted by: dominus nox Mar 1 2014, 01:21 PM

QUOTE(WitchFinderGeneral @ Mar 1 2014, 12:28 PM) *

Why not? Its not like PonyBoy and the rest haven't broken 40k already....


To be fair Tau and Eldar broke 40hammers, they just jumped on the bandwagon tongue.gif

Posted by: deadmuppet Mar 2 2014, 12:27 PM

u forgetting trip drakes and cheap scoring??? game changing

Posted by: Harvey Birdman Mar 3 2014, 03:25 PM

I took zombies and 3 drakes and still lost to pony boy.

Posted by: Amytornis Mar 6 2014, 03:47 PM

Simon given this event is a big deal for Group North I'm hoping you might set up a small sub committee of guys to agree on a set of rules/possible restrictions for next year. Bearing in mind the possibility of 7th Ed dropping later this year legitimizing all of the crazy new stuff? Then hopefully post them up in here early enough for people to start planning armies. I dont want to buy stuff and spend a gazillion hours painting it only to find your not going to allow Flyers or Imperial Armour or whatever else you might not want to see at the Tourney. I'm sure you have enough people with enough experience and wisdom you can call on to help decide what is and isn't going to be acceptable. Cheers

Posted by: ru486baby Mar 7 2014, 08:22 AM

QUOTE(WitchFinderGeneral @ Mar 1 2014, 12:28 PM) *

Why not? Its not like PonyBoy and the rest haven't broken 40k already....

Wow less than 6th months and pony has allready replaced me as
Teh destroyer of all the hobbies
Sad day folks sad day.

Posted by: Harvey Birdman Mar 7 2014, 11:10 AM

Why on earth would you want to take creative control away from simon on the 10th anniversary of his event, for what might be his last one? You'll still paint and play with your toy soldiers even if you can't use them at one event. The committee should have one member, and everyone else should shake his hand and say thank you. It's not like he doesn't listen to your feedback and try to make people happy accordingly.

Posted by: Cypher Mar 7 2014, 11:55 AM

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Why on earth would you want to take creative control away from simon on the 10th anniversary of his event, for what might be his last one? You'll still paint and play with your toy soldiers even if you can't use them at one event. The committee should have one member, and everyone else should shake his hand and say thank you. It's not like he doesn't listen to your feedback and try to make people happy accordingly.

Because apparently its the serious business.

Im just happy to rock up, play wardollies and have some fun.

But the strippers are mandatory: lets be perfectly clear on that point. tongue.gif

Posted by: ru486baby Mar 7 2014, 12:54 PM

QUOTE(Cypher @ Mar 7 2014, 11:25 AM) *

Because apparently its the serious business.

Im just happy to rock up, play wardollies and have some fun.

But the strippers are mandatory: lets be perfectly clear on that point. tongue.gif

Strippers is a no go.
But im working on cheerleaders

Posted by: ru486baby Mar 7 2014, 04:17 PM

QUOTE(Cypher @ Mar 7 2014, 11:25 AM) *

Because apparently its the serious business.

Im just happy to rock up, play wardollies and have some fun.

But the strippers are mandatory: lets be perfectly clear on that point. tongue.gif

Strippers is a no go.
But im working on cheerleaders

Posted by: AJ-CRISIS Mar 7 2014, 05:04 PM

QUOTE(Harvey Birdman @ Mar 7 2014, 10:40 AM) *

Why on earth would you want to take creative control away from simon on the 10th anniversary of his event, for what might be his last one? You'll still paint and play with your toy soldiers even if you can't use them at one event. The committee should have one member, and everyone else should shake his hand and say thank you. It's not like he doesn't listen to your feedback and try to make people happy accordingly.


While i dont mind showing up regardless, i know for a fact that Amytornis is starting a new army specifically for Dauthus given that it is its 10th and possibly last year running, as such i can understand his request. I am also doing the same, given that if i assembled and painted said army i would be quite disappointed if it was all done and then a month before the tournament i couldn't use half of whats in it.

Having said that i do appreciate all the work Simon puts into these events and i enjoy participating in them. I dont believe Amytornis is trying to 'take creative control away from simon', merely giving the suggestion of having some others in the gaming community who he trusts/values to offer their opinions on any rules restrictions to make it the best event it could possibly be.

Posted by: Behemoth Mar 7 2014, 05:32 PM

To be honest, I deal enough with committee's now and I don't want to add another to the list (even if I wouldn't actually need to be on it).

I would do a players pack now but seeing as new rules are rumoured to come out in May then I thought I would wait until then. I can say that at this point I am keen to allow FW and not keen for super heavies to be allowed (which may involve banning the Imperial Knights codex???). I want to keep it as 1 FoC too.

If people do or do not want to see certain things in the tourney then now is the time to post your thoughts here. I have nothing set in stone at this point in time so give me your opinion and make your argument to convince me.

I have given consideration to going as far back to basics as possible so that would involve banning flyers and flying MC's but I think that would just give already good armies too much of a boost.

When Dauthus first started it had around 12 players and every single table had a different mission. Maybe something along those lines could be introduced?

If you have any ideas I would be very appreciative to hear them. No promise and if you don't want to post it publicly then send me a PM. I want next year to be big and let me know early if you would like to sleep at the hall. I am sure I can swing that with the GN committee.

Also, does anyone have a hot partner who will strip for cheap. So far the only volunteers I have are Napier and Charles! My eyes are still bleeding from the audition.


Posted by: Amytornis Mar 7 2014, 07:00 PM


Firstly my original post has nothing to do with trying to rest away creative control or otherwise from Simon. For the record I think he does a fantastic job of organising this event. It was more an idea of sharing the burden of the responsibility for what is Group Norths premiere 40K tourney for the year. Perhaps if this was shared then it might not be the last Dauthus?. By sharing I mean a couple of experienced tourney scene guys whom Simon trusts coming up with some firm guidelines early enough so people like me can start planning, that is all.

For me the tourney is more about presenting the best possible looking army I can make/paint and not so much about playing with "little man dollies" (I get smashed every game anyway) The more time I have in that regard the better for me. There were lots of rumours after the event this year as to what would be included/banned for 2015 and with all the changes to the game system and possible new rules in May thats a lot for one man to think about.

Personally I'd like to see single FOC, 40K approved Forgeworld/Imperial Armour and WYSIWYG. By that I mean you must have the model that is on your list. I'm not too keen on seeing Landraider sized blocks of wood with nails stuck in them for guns.

Peace out and thank you Simon

Posted by: cool_conoly Mar 7 2014, 07:13 PM

For my 2 cents simon I reckon just let it play as the edition is. 7th is going to make dataslates/lords of war/D weapons main stream. To limit these things is sorta like saying atm Tau cant take riptides etc.

I for one was heavily against escalation and the idea of superheavies, I played a game with it last night, and ya know what it was no different to playing against a screamer star, or jetseer council, or Triptide! hell id even go as far as to say it was better, because not everyone can field a 2++ rerollable, BUT everyone (who matters) can get a super heavy.

I think its a bit odd to have a FW allowed tournament now, that bans parts of the core ruleset.

Posted by: deadmuppet Mar 7 2014, 08:03 PM

so we were forced to buy flyers, then forced to buy AA and now were forced to buy titans.... u cool if i just buy a titan then use match boxes for other models as things like elder titans don't care what uese is in ur list anyway as it just dies first turn regardless????


Posted by: cool_conoly Mar 7 2014, 08:10 PM

QUOTE(deadmuppet @ Mar 7 2014, 08:33 PM) *

so we were forced to buy flyers, then forced to buy AA and now were forced to buy titans.... u cool if i just buy a titan then use match boxes for other models as things like elder titans don't care what uese is in ur list anyway as it just dies first turn regardless????



You can easily play against 9/10 of the escalation units without needing your own superheavy

Posted by: Behemoth Mar 7 2014, 10:56 PM

Like it or not, the decision is based more on how I think 40K should be rather than how GW actually makes it. It's a better game without all this new ######e IMO. I am strongly against the the argument of "it's in the core rules now so let it happen". As GW admits, they don't make the game balanced with tournaments in mind so therefore it's up to us to try and do that.

I feel FW will help level the playing field a bit and I don't like the fact that people will be forced to buy superheavies to compete. I also don't like that Tau or Eldar are thus almost guaranteed to win (I said almost Andy).

Amytornis, I don't think you are trying to take creative control. I can see you are only trying to nail down as early as you can what will and will not be allowed and I fully agree with that sentiment. Hopefully we can do that in the next few months.

So should I allow unpainted armies? Or unpainted models count as destroyed at the end of the game?

Should substitutions be allowed?

Should FW be actual FW models only?

Should certain units be limited to one only?

Should certain units be banned such as 2+ rerollable? It's not like that is their only winning combo.

Should soft scores be have greater weight?

I want your input guys but don't get upset if it doesn't go your way. Disagree with me and I won't be offended. Vote with your feet and I won't be offended.

Posted by: Charlie_W Mar 8 2014, 08:03 AM

I propose that the ruleset is all inclusive (everything except IA Experimental and IA Apocalypse rules) and we address popular balance concerns through mission design and scoring system. Players can then build their army however they like without fear of restrictions.

Posted by: pion Mar 8 2014, 09:02 AM

I will come regardless of the rules. If it open to all things stupid then I expect there is a good chance I will get blown off the board again by such lists - like four out of five I played 2 weeks ago.
I am going to BaV (NSW event) in early May near my home town. They are proposing to use a Comp system that look the best option of getting interesting and more enjoable games. While no option will make everyone happy, that looks like the best one available at the moment.


Posted by: SprayAnPray Mar 8 2014, 10:07 AM

Yeah, I'll be there. It just depends on whether I bother to finish scratch-building my Dred Mob army or just bring the BA

Posted by: kore5022 Mar 8 2014, 12:25 PM

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Should FW be actual FW models only?


Yes

Normal drops pods counting as FW drop pods, normal land raiders with proxy FW load outs etc is awful to play against.

Posted by: Monkey Mar 8 2014, 01:20 PM

QUOTE(Behemoth @ Mar 7 2014, 05:02 PM) *


When Dauthus first started it had around 12 players and every single table had a different mission. Maybe something along those lines could be introduced?




Yes please! (Playtesting though if we're going to have a big turnout.)

Posted by: Harvey Birdman Mar 8 2014, 01:45 PM

Please don't ban imperial knights, or my nest dauthus army won't be as funny. Good thing actual models needed is for fw units, because lol. Mine will have lights and sounds. Going for player's choice and podium this year.

Posted by: SprayAnPray Mar 8 2014, 01:58 PM

Hmm, I shall join Casper and bring the Targets of Tzeench, keep your eyes open for the coming modelling diary.

Those balls were inspiational

Posted by: Monkey Mar 8 2014, 02:03 PM

QUOTE(Harvey Birdman @ Mar 8 2014, 01:15 PM) *

Please don't ban imperial knights, or my nest dauthus army won't be as funny. Good thing actual models needed is for fw units, because lol. Mine will have lights and sounds. Going for player's choice and podium this year.


I was tentatively planning on bringing Knights, should I be worried?

Posted by: cool_conoly Mar 8 2014, 02:31 PM

Probably Monkey, D weapons + super heavies, simon has said he is not keen on that

Posted by: Harvey Birdman Mar 8 2014, 08:43 PM

Simon's destroying the hobby.

Posted by: Behemoth Mar 8 2014, 08:46 PM

QUOTE(Harvey Birdman @ Mar 8 2014, 09:43 PM) *

Simon's destroying the hobby.

Shut uuuuuuuup! These clowns are clueless, you'll give it all away.

Posted by: Monkey Mar 9 2014, 09:31 AM

QUOTE(cool_conoly @ Mar 8 2014, 02:01 PM) *

Probably Monkey, D weapons + super heavies, simon has said he is not keen on that


Diet-Super Heavy, to be fair.

Posted by: Monkey Mar 10 2014, 07:30 AM

Hey Casper.

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Lets dance, bitch!

Posted by: cool_conoly Mar 10 2014, 08:32 AM

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I see your superheavy, and I raise you a Garagnantuan Creature

Posted by: Charlie_W Mar 11 2014, 09:11 PM

QUOTE(cool_conoly @ Mar 10 2014, 08:02 AM) *

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I see your superheavy, and I raise you a Garagnantuan Creature


Pony Boy: losing on the bandwagon since 2013

Posted by: neil Mar 13 2014, 11:28 AM

QUOTE(Charlie_W @ Mar 8 2014, 07:33 AM) *

I propose that the ruleset is all inclusive (everything except IA Experimental and IA Apocalypse rules) and we address popular balance concerns through mission design and scoring system.


But Charles, if we use anything other than the Six Sanctified Missions set forth in the Holy Rulebook we won't be playing Real 40k as The Divine Lord GW intended!

Posted by: Charlie_W Mar 19 2014, 04:30 PM

QUOTE(neil @ Mar 13 2014, 10:58 AM) *

But Charles, if we use anything other than the Six Sanctified Missions set forth in the Holy Rulebook we won't be playing Real 40k as The Divine Lord GW intended!


Firstly, I expect a new Rulebook by then so the three/six/twelve/whatever standard missions will be different.

Secondly, I'm not suggesting playing poorly balanced custom scenarios, I'm suggesting the typical approaches to mission adjustment for improving tournament playability; e.g. standardising Objective number/value/placement, minimising random factors, etc. Given the current state of the game - which will be totally irrelevant next February - tweaks like playing 5+ Objectives to emphasise Scoring over deathstars can improve the standard missions for tournament play.

Posted by: Behemoth Aug 9 2014, 10:29 AM

Hi all

A big thanks to Dead Muppet for painting the trophies for Dauthus X. If you are looking for a quality paint job you can contact him through http://www.wargamerau.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=159903.

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So whoever wins Dauthus will be able to choose the model of their liking to be attached to the trophy base. Then 2nd then 3rd. Haven't decided what I'll give the 4th trophy for.

Posted by: deadmuppet Aug 9 2014, 10:33 AM

They look good from behind as their is a bit more colour in cloaks etc.

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Posted by: SprayAnPray Aug 9 2014, 12:31 PM

I would completely unbiasedly suggest it go to the wooden spoon tongue.gif

But seriously, it should probably go to the players choice army thingy, or best painted

Posted by: Behemoth Aug 9 2014, 12:36 PM

QUOTE(SprayAnPray @ Aug 9 2014, 01:31 PM) *

I would completely unbiasedly suggest it go to the wooden spoon tongue.gif

But seriously, it should probably go to the players choice army thingy, or best painted


Maybe I should give it to best TO on the day tongue.gif

Posted by: cool_conoly Aug 9 2014, 01:45 PM

Since its probably going to be comp, best general?

Posted by: Harvey Birdman Aug 11 2014, 08:02 AM

Purely unbiased too Adam? tongue.gif

Best sports. The Fulgrim one. #impartial

In other news, I'll be bringing the Emperor's Children. Actual 40K models. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Harvey Birdman Aug 11 2014, 08:10 AM

Just need to work out if I can have Unbound or bring my 2 rhino squad tax?


Plus - formations?

Because 3 squads of 5 Dreads is a Battle Forged list now. One of my Dreads is a warlord. tongue.gif

I love the Hellbrute dataslate. It's not so much good as...... cool.

Posted by: Behemoth Aug 11 2014, 06:32 PM

QUOTE(Harvey Birdman @ Aug 11 2014, 09:10 AM) *

Just need to work out if I can have Unbound or bring my 2 rhino squad tax?
Plus - formations?

Because 3 squads of 5 Dreads is a Battle Forged list now. One of my Dreads is a warlord. tongue.gif

I love the Hellbrute dataslate. It's not so much good as...... cool.

Unbound is definitely out and at this stage I am happy to have formations. Lords of War should be ok too.

FYI - if anyone fields Logans F#@#$#$%%^&^%%$%$#$%%$#$%%$#G sleigh I will castrate them!

Posted by: cool_conoly Aug 11 2014, 07:25 PM

Im seriously going to buy a good santa and his reindeer to field as this model

Posted by: Monkey Aug 11 2014, 09:15 PM

QUOTE(Behemoth @ Aug 11 2014, 06:02 PM) *

Unbound is definitely out and at this stage I am happy to have formations. Lords of War should be ok too.

FYI - if anyone fields Logans F#@#$#$%%^&^%%$%$#$%%$#$%%$#G sleigh I will castrate them!



Lords of War and Super Heavies/Gargantuans or just Lords of War?

Posted by: cool_conoly Aug 11 2014, 09:17 PM

Superheavies and Gargantuan Creatures will not be allowed he has already said that.

What he would mean is LoW such as Ghaz, Logan, Draigo and Meph etc

Posted by: Monkey Aug 11 2014, 09:36 PM

I assumed as much, but I wanted to clarify.

Posted by: Behemoth Aug 11 2014, 10:59 PM

QUOTE(cool_conoly @ Aug 11 2014, 10:17 PM) *

Superheavies and Gargantuan Creatures will not be allowed he has already said that.

What he would mean is LoW such as Ghaz, Logan, Draigo and Meph etc

What he said. armata_PDT_34.gif

Posted by: Monkey Aug 11 2014, 11:44 PM

QUOTE(Behemoth @ Aug 11 2014, 10:29 PM) *

What he said. armata_PDT_34.gif


Just making sure!


Forever alone Imperial Knight...

Posted by: Harvey Birdman Aug 12 2014, 09:20 AM

Ahhh sweet. I was thinking of doing the 3 man Hellbrute formation, just because I'm shy an Elite slot.

(The one where they deep strike but go more crazy, not the vehicle squadron one.)

Posted by: Harvey Birdman Aug 13 2014, 09:48 AM

Except the 5 man vehicle squadron is a million times better.

Posted by: Buddha Aug 15 2014, 10:24 AM

QUOTE(Charlie_W @ Mar 8 2014, 08:03 AM) *

I propose that the ruleset is all inclusive (everything except IA Experimental and IA Apocalypse rules) and we address popular balance concerns through mission design and scoring system. Players can then build their army however they like without fear of restrictions.


I am actually going to agree with Charles.

I don't think there is any need to ban anything in the game at the moment. Also, to be honest, nothing 'new' like Flyers or Superheavies has ruined a game of 40k for me lately...

You know what has? Abuse of older existing Codexes. Pally Star, Screamer Star, Seer Council, hell, anything that can cast Invisibility. You ban the Superheavies and Lords of War... yeah sure, like I gave a crap about facing some Imperial Knights, when that other ridiculous nonsense is what we actually need to worry about.

If you are planning on going with the Community Comp system, then you should make it no restrictions. No unbound is fine, but please allow Superheavies and Lords of War.

If you are not planning on using the Comp system, just work on a re-submit Simon. If anyone takes some grotesque crap just ban it.


Best example is the recent Firestorm tourney... no Superheavies, no Lords of War, no Dataslates allowed.... still the most broken army of 7th ed that I have seen got to win the event... these restrictions mean jack all in the scheme of things Simon, it just stifles variety and creativity.

Posted by: Behemoth Aug 15 2014, 05:42 PM

QUOTE(Buddha @ Aug 15 2014, 11:24 AM) *

I am actually going to agree with Charles.

I don't think there is any need to ban anything in the game at the moment. Also, to be honest, nothing 'new' like Flyers or Superheavies has ruined a game of 40k for me lately...

You know what has? Abuse of older existing Codexes. Pally Star, Screamer Star, Seer Council, hell, anything that can cast Invisibility. You ban the Superheavies and Lords of War... yeah sure, like I gave a crap about facing some Imperial Knights, when that other ridiculous nonsense is what we actually need to worry about.

If you are planning on going with the Community Comp system, then you should make it no restrictions. No unbound is fine, but please allow Superheavies and Lords of War.

If you are not planning on using the Comp system, just work on a re-submit Simon. If anyone takes some grotesque crap just ban it.
Best example is the recent Firestorm tourney... no Superheavies, no Lords of War, no Dataslates allowed.... still the most broken army of 7th ed that I have seen got to win the event... these restrictions mean jack all in the scheme of things Simon, it just stifles variety and creativity.


Charles who? Never heard of him. tongue.gif

I appreciate the feedback Tom and I said from the start of this year that I wanted to introduce things tourney by tourney to see how they go. In this thread or some other I have already said that I am happy for Lords of War so the only thing I am not in agreement with you is super heavies. Data Slates and formations are also in. FW is allowed in Northern Heresy but ultimately for that to continue it may depend if FW is included in the comp system so that there are no surprises for anyone.

Whilst you say that no super heavy has ruined your 40k I can assure that it would ruin mine and many other people I have spoken to but I realise I can't make everyone happy. And yes you are correct, that still leaves plenty of other filth for people to field.

There is plenty of variety in 40k and sure, a table of Knights would look cool but having no super heavies won't stifle things that much.

I hope you still attend Dauthus X because it will probably be my last as a TO but at this point in time though I can't see super heavies being allowed.


Posted by: cool_conoly Aug 15 2014, 06:10 PM

Tom Im just going to throw this out there, what superhesvies are included in the comp system if that's the way the event goes?

Its only Imperial knights, and that's because they deem the other ridiculous aswell.

Im all for allowing knights (Ive advocated this to Simon many times) But have no desire to play against a Stompa or revenant in a game of 40k (which Ive also discussed with you both you and Simon)

My prefeered restricion would be
LoW that are non super heavies are allowed. This allows Logan and alike, also allows Knights but stops stompas, revanants etc.

Either way in the end it is simons event and he can decide (but he should make the right decision and agree with me lol)

Posted by: Monkey Aug 15 2014, 07:28 PM

If Simon does change ihs mind, I've got an Imperial Knight list I'd love to run.

Posted by: cool_conoly Aug 15 2014, 08:05 PM

QUOTE(Monkey @ Aug 15 2014, 07:58 PM) *

If Simon does change ihs mind, I've got an Imperial Knight list I'd love to run.



And if its comp youd get a 0.

Posted by: Cypher Aug 15 2014, 08:16 PM

QUOTE
Im all for allowing knights (Ive advocated this to Simon many times) But have no desire to play against a Stompa or revenant in a game of 40k (which Ive also discussed with you both you and Simon)

Maybe instead of outright banning super heavies or LoW, look at putting a point cap on it?

By example, a single knight is workable for most balanced armies, but five of them, or a Revenant or something, is another matter entirely.

Posted by: Charlie_W Aug 15 2014, 09:20 PM

If you feel you must have some restrictions then capping LoW total spend at 25% or 33% is reasonable, it will keep the titans out but allow the rest of the toys.

And if you feel you must interfere with army lists to some degree then reserve the right to demand resubmit, rather than sell out to the Victorians and their abomination (I will not use the four-letter C-bomb).

For what it's worth, I would come back for Dauthus if it was along those lines, but any hint of C*** or irrational-fear restrictions and I won't make the trip, not even for Dauthus, the club and my high regard for you as a TO.

Posted by: Monkey Aug 15 2014, 09:40 PM

QUOTE(cool_conoly @ Aug 15 2014, 07:35 PM) *

And if its comp youd get a 0.


I don't care about comp. I'll just take the lists I want to use.

Posted by: Buddha Aug 16 2014, 01:28 AM

Adam to clarify, I think Knights should be allowed and same with Stompas. Anything in a standard codex.

Stompas are 15 points minimum. If someone wants to take one, whatever, they will get slayed on comp.

Also Simon as always I will do my best to make Dauthus, especially for the big anniversary smile.gif

I have always respected you as a TO, just letting you know my thoughts thats all, its your call at the end of the day.

Posted by: 4ndi Aug 18 2014, 09:19 PM

One problem with a non caped comp tournament , Ppl who don't care about there comp score , play a hard list against Ppl with a softish list..... So much fun sleep.gif. It doesn't help the guy with the soft list, that his opponent gets comp hit, he still had a #### game.
Is the aim for comp not that two balanced list play against each other and both player are equal (as good as it gets)?

Posted by: deadmuppet Aug 19 2014, 09:33 AM

yea ive always looked at it like that also andi. If u allow comp "something im all for" then its designed to bring all the power levels into line. yes u can take a slightly harder list but then it means u have to win all ur games and u will be against all the best players all with slightly harder lists. if ur list is soft then u can sometimes fly under the radar.

if i spent 5 months painting a really nice balanced comp list that looks good is fun to play against and use that isnt abusing the comp system ie finding any loophole u can and spam it. if my first game i got ow awsome a stompa and get wiped of the board in 2 turns then in a 3-4 game tournment u can never come back from that.

yes he cops a comp hit and can in no way win the event but in the right hands can just walk over people.

makes u feel like u have brought a knife to a gun fight. i like the idea of a comp cap but also that's not for all also. but at the end of the day "we and the TO" are the one that set the restrictions. this game is a ######en joke atm with power levels of the scale. this is the edd of the houserules. I was 99% out of the hobby untill we started playing comp and terracon really brought the core group back into life. That's the style of game i wanna be playing. The way i look at it also if u have a stompa titan those massive tanks their is nothing stoping u from playing 15 games a week with ur mates using them. the whole but i never get to use them isnt valid in my eyes. If u buy something like that then u know its usualy the case.

Posted by: cool_conoly Aug 19 2014, 03:15 PM

Man 3 different lists that I cannot decide between for this grr!

Posted by: Monkey Aug 19 2014, 05:23 PM

I vote no Tigurius Paladin-stars. armata_PDT_34.gif

Posted by: deadmuppet Aug 19 2014, 09:37 PM

QUOTE(cool_conoly @ Aug 19 2014, 03:15 PM) *

Man 3 different lists that I cannot decide between for this grr!




its not for a lonnnnnnggggg time though knowing gw their will be 15 new codexes out by then smile.gif

Posted by: Buddha Aug 19 2014, 11:03 PM

QUOTE(deadmuppet @ Aug 19 2014, 09:37 PM) *

its not for a lonnnnnnggggg time though knowing gw their will be 15 new codexes out by then smile.gif


Solid gold.

Posted by: Behemoth Aug 25 2014, 06:37 PM

Soundwave is the same weekend so I am considering changing the dates to 14th and 15th February.

Anyone think this is a bad idea?

Posted by: Buddha Aug 25 2014, 06:59 PM

As someone who usually goes to Soundwave thats a tops idea smile.gif

Posted by: deadmuppet Aug 26 2014, 12:08 PM

Ah that's a good point. yes change dates.

Posted by: death jester Aug 28 2014, 05:45 PM

doesnt bother me but might be an idea to consider valentines day glavens have to look after their women too

Posted by: cool_conoly Aug 28 2014, 07:04 PM

#### didnt even think of that!

Posted by: ru486baby Aug 28 2014, 08:42 PM

QUOTE(cool_conoly @ Aug 28 2014, 07:34 PM) *

#### didnt even think of that!

Wow what a lucky missis pony.

Posted by: Monkey Aug 28 2014, 09:56 PM

Will you be my Valentine's Clayton? biggrin.gif

Posted by: death jester Aug 29 2014, 04:36 PM

sure youll get exactly what the wife gets, bugger all

Posted by: Harvey Birdman Aug 29 2014, 10:05 PM

I would have got you servo chocolates Ben. And implied obligation for both steak and other stuff.

Why are we booking a 2 day 40K tourney on valenines day again? This is a bigger issue than Soundwave for me, or though he was a very cool decepticon.

Posted by: Behemoth Aug 29 2014, 10:38 PM

Because valentines Day is a stupid American event. You shouldn't need a special day to remind yourself to buy flowers for your partner.

I think Clay made a typo, he probably meant buggered.

Posted by: Monkey Aug 30 2014, 12:56 AM

QUOTE(Harvey Birdman @ Aug 29 2014, 09:35 PM) *

I would have got you servo chocolates Ben. And implied obligation for both steak and other stuff.



That sounds remarkably similiar to our annual Birthday arrangement Casper.

Posted by: Harvey Birdman Aug 31 2014, 01:28 PM

QUOTE(Behemoth @ Aug 29 2014, 10:08 PM) *

I think Clay made a typo, he probably meant buggered.

Why would she be tired? Is it from all the house cleaning? Or is she fixing his landcruiser for him?



Because he can't do it. armata_PDT_11.gif

Posted by: Monkey Aug 31 2014, 02:10 PM

QUOTE(Harvey Birdman @ Aug 31 2014, 12:58 PM) *

Or is she fixing his landcruiser for him?
Because he can't do it. armata_PDT_11.gif


IPB Image

Posted by: death jester Aug 31 2014, 03:42 PM

Its funny and sad in its truth

Posted by: Harvey Birdman Aug 31 2014, 04:30 PM

Oh - Simon, learn to history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentine's_Day

PFFT. American.


The point is, it's hard to Fill the Emotional Bank whilst pissing off on Feb 14 to a piss up / wardolly sesh.

Posted by: Behemoth Aug 31 2014, 04:38 PM

[quote name='Harvey Birdman' date='Aug 31 2014, 05:30 PM' post='2668100']
Oh - Simon, learn to history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentine's_Day

PFFT. American.

PFFT - the internet is full of made up stuff.

Posted by: defult06 Aug 31 2014, 06:45 PM

Wikipedia is not a valid academic source of information please find a peer reviewed reference.


Posted by: Harvey Birdman Sep 1 2014, 10:59 AM

Confirmed by Yahoo answers.

Posted by: Buddha Sep 5 2014, 01:03 PM

Simon, I am planning a special army project for this one.

2000 points still?

Posted by: ru486baby Sep 5 2014, 04:09 PM

QUOTE(Buddha @ Sep 5 2014, 01:33 PM) *

Simon, I am planning a special army project for this one.

2000 points still?


Read the rules packet -
Special project armies are 2250.
Jeeeez.

Posted by: Behemoth Sep 6 2014, 11:10 AM

QUOTE(ru486baby @ Sep 5 2014, 05:09 PM) *

Read the rules packet -
Special project armies are 2250.
Jeeeez.


What rules packet?

2000pts - yes.

Posted by: Buddha Sep 7 2014, 01:04 AM

Sweet cheers mate smile.gif

Lots of Forgeworld incoming! No actual Forgeworld rules, just models smile.gif

Heresy era goodness smile.gif

Posted by: deadmuppet Sep 7 2014, 09:51 AM

ur forge world grot zombie army is gonna look the tits tom.

Posted by: SprayAnPray Sep 7 2014, 03:25 PM

Any confirmed date yet Simon? I need to figure out how many weeks of "f*** schoolwork, painting wardollies is more important" I need to schedule after the Christmas holidays.

Posted by: Behemoth Sep 7 2014, 05:11 PM

QUOTE(SprayAnPray @ Sep 7 2014, 04:25 PM) *

Any confirmed date yet Simon? I need to figure out how many weeks of "f*** schoolwork, painting wardollies is more important" I need to schedule after the Christmas holidays.

14th and 15th of February.

Posted by: death jester Sep 8 2014, 08:51 AM

Can I borrow a sob army from anyone at least then ill be highest ranked in something

Posted by: Buddha Sep 8 2014, 10:45 AM

Just found out I wont be making it now sad.gif lame. Sorry guys.

Posted by: AJ-CRISIS Sep 29 2014, 10:13 PM

Any confirmations on any sorts of rules yet?

Posted by: Behemoth Sep 29 2014, 11:31 PM

QUOTE(AJ-CRISIS @ Sep 29 2014, 11:13 PM) *

Any confirmations on any sorts of rules yet?

I......AM........ WORKING.....ON.........IT!!!!!!

My time is limited, wife wants nookies all the time, mistress's want nookies all the time. It's exhausting!

2000pts.

Community comp.

Forge world allowed.


Posted by: Harvey Birdman Sep 30 2014, 11:42 AM

30K marine lists are Forgeworld, therefore allowed?

Posted by: Behemoth Sep 30 2014, 04:18 PM

QUOTE(Harvey Birdman @ Sep 30 2014, 12:42 PM) *

30K marine lists are Forgeworld, therefore allowed?

Are they 40k approved? I would say not so they won't be allowed.

Posted by: Monkey Sep 30 2014, 10:23 PM

QUOTE(Behemoth @ Sep 29 2014, 11:01 PM) *

I......AM........ WORKING.....ON.........IT!!!!!!

My time is limited, wife wants nookies all the time, mistress's want nookies all the time. It's exhausting!

2000pts.

Community comp.

Forge world allowed.


Can I have some nookies?

Posted by: Behemoth Sep 30 2014, 10:35 PM

QUOTE(Monkey @ Sep 30 2014, 11:23 PM) *

Can I have some nookies?

Take a number.

Posted by: Behemoth Oct 3 2014, 04:50 PM

Official thread started.

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