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post Aug 25 2015, 05:10 AM
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Greetings!

The list of the reports for easy access:

Game 124 - Forces of Nature - 2019/11/09

Game 123 - Dwarfs - 2019/10/26

Game 122 - Goblins - 2019/10/10

Game 121 - Night Stalkers - 2019/09/22

Game 120 - League of Rhordia - 2019/08/31

Game 119 - Kingdoms of Men - 2019/08/10

Game 118 - Trident Realms - 2019/08/03

Game 117 - Night Stalkers - 2019/06/16

Game 116 - Elves - 2019/04/21

Game 115 - Forces of the Abyss - 2019/04/13

Game 114 - Ogres - 2019/04/01

Game 113 - The Herd - 2019/03/27

Game 112 - Salamanders - 2019/03/17

Game 111 - The Herd - 2019/03/11

Game 110 - Forces of Basilea - 2019/02/27

Game 109 - Forces of Nature - 2019/02/17

Game 108 - Forces of Nature - 2019/02/10

Game 107 - Forces of Nature - 2019/02/03

Game 106 - Undead - 2019/01/20

Game 105 - Night Stalkers - 2018/12/27

Game 104 - League of Rhordia - 2018/12/26

Game 103 - Night Stalkers - 2018/12/25

Game 102 - Night Stalkers vs Abyssal Dwarfs - 2018/12/01

Game 101 - Night Stalkers - 2018/11/26

Game 100 - Night Stalkers - 2018/11/19

Game 99 - Night Stalkers - 2018/11/05

Game 98 - Empire of Dust - 2018/10/12

Game 97 - Forces of the Abyss - 2018/10/01

Game 96 - Goblins - 2018/09/23

Game 95 - Brotherhood - 2018/09/15

Game 94 - Trident Realms - 2018/09/10

Game 93 - Trident Realms - 2018/08/21

Game 92 - Samurai - 2018/08/13

Game 91 - Elves - 2018/08/08

Game 90 - Forces of Nature - 2018/07/01

Game 89 - Trident Realms - 2018/06/14

Game 88 - Forces of Nature - 2018/05/28

Game 87 - Tridnet Realms - 2018/05/27

Game 86 - Dwarfs - 2018/05/11

Game 85 - Empire of Dust - 2018/04/09

Game 84 - Trident Realms - 2018/03/31

Game 83 - Forces of Abyss - 2018/03/17

Game 82 - Elves - 2018/03/13

Game 81 - Abyssal Dwarfs - 2018/03/03

Game 80 - Undead - 2018/02/22

Game 79 - Twilight Kin - 2018/02/17

Game 78 - Elves - 2018/02/14

Game 77 - Varangur - 2018/02/09

Game 76 - Abyssal Dwarfs - 2018/01/21

Game 75 - Romans - 2018/01/14

Game 74 - Kingdoms of Men - 2018/01/12

Game 73 - Undead - 2017/12/18

Game 72 - Varangur - 2017/12/17

Game 71 - Abyssal Dwarfs - 2017/12/14

Game 70 - Varangur vs Outcasts - 2017/12/12

Game 69 - Kingdoms of Men - 2017/12/10

Game 68 - Undead - 2017/12/09

Game 67 - Varangur vs Outcasts - 2017/12/08

Game 66 - Romans - 2017/11/18

Game 65 - Elves - 2017/11/11

Game 64 - Night Stalkers - 2017/11/08

Game 63 - Undead - 2017/11/05

Game 62 - Forces of the Abyss - 2017/11/03

Game 61 - Elves - 2017/10/31

Game 60 - Empire of Dust - 2017/09/27

Game 59 - Night Stalkers - 2017/09/24

Game 58 - Undead - 2017/09/15

Game 57 - Orcs - 2017/09/12

Game 56 - Twilight Kin - 2017/09/10

Game 55 - Trident Realms - 2017/09/07

Game 54 - Forces of Basilea - 2017/09/02

Game 53 - Ogres - 2017/08/30

Game 52 - Dwarfs - 2017/08/26

Game 51 - Trident Realms - 2017/04/17

Game 50 - Kingdoms of Men - 2017/04/07

Game 49 - Trident Realms - 2017/04/01

Game 48 - Twilight Kin - 2017/03/22

Game 47 - Dwarfs - 2017/03/18

Game 46 - Night Stalkers - 2107/03/13

Game 45 - Kingdoms of Men - 2017/03/04

Game 44 - Ratkin - 2017/03/02

Game 43 - Ogres - 2017/02/27

Game 42 - Night Stalkers - 2017/02/23

Game 41 - Undead - 2017/02/16

Game 40 - Night Stalkers - 2017/02/11

Game 39 - Varangur - 2017/02/08

Game 38 - Kingdoms of Men - 2016/12/10

Game 37 - Trident Realms - 2016/12/07

Game 36 - Undead - 2016/12/03

Game 35 - Dwarfs - 2016/12/02

Game 34 - Trident Realms - 2016/11/27

Game 33 - Elves & FoN allies - 2016/11/25

Game 32 - Dwarfs - 2016/11/20

Game 31 - Varangur - 2016/11/14

Game 30 - Ogres - 2016/11/10

Game 29 - Elves - 2016/11/06

Game 28 - Varangur - 2016/10/22

Game 27 - Forces of Nature - 2016/10/09

Game 26 - Undead - 2016/09/30

Game 25 - Trident Realms - 2016/09/25

Game 24 - Kingdoms of Men - 2016/08/14

Game 23 - Brotherhood - 2016/08/03

Game 22 - Kingdoms of Men - 2016/07/02

Game 21 - Night Stalkers - 2016/06/19

Game 20 - Abyssal Dwarfs - 2016/06/10

Game 19 - Orcs - 2016/06/02

Game 18 - Empire of Dust - 2016/05/28

Game 17 - Goblins - 2016/05/20

Game 16 - Kingdoms of Men - 2016/04/08

Game 15 - The Herd - 2016/03/23

Game 14 - Dwarfs - 2016/03/13

Game 13 - Brotherhood - 2016/01/31

Game 12 - Abyssal Dwarfs - 2016/01/24

Game 11 - Basileans - 2015/12/18

Game 10 - Forces of Abyss - 2015/12/04

Game 9 - Salamanders - 2015/11/27

Game 8 - Forces of Abyss - 2015/11/18

Game 7 - Forces of Abyss - 2015/11/11

Game 6 - Basileans - 2015/11/05

Game 5 - Orcs - 2015/11/03

Game 4 - Basileans - 2015/10/26

Game 3 - Orcs - 2015/10/23

Game 2 - Empire of Dust - 2015/09/21

Game 1 - Empire of Dust - 2015/08/24

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post Aug 25 2015, 07:59 AM
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Great report thanks mate. You hit the nail on the head when you talk about being able to take anything in your army and still being competitive. Thats what I am loving about this game. Thanks again.


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post Aug 29 2015, 07:40 AM
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Hi Morgrim,

Sorry for late reply and many thanks! I am very happy you liked my first KoW report. As I said I hope I will be able to provide them in more or less regular intervals. I will do my best to improve my skills as fast as possible so that the games are even more interesting to read about!

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post Aug 29 2015, 11:24 AM
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Great report, I missed it before so lucky it was bumped. smile.gif
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post Aug 29 2015, 11:41 AM
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I really enjoyed the report too. I read it so late one night that I forgot to reply. I can't wait to read some more. Definitely one of the best KoW reports I've read smile.gif. Kingdom of Dust are a faction I'm really tempted to get into but I need to complete my dwarf army first smile.gif


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post Aug 29 2015, 01:49 PM
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Just finished reading your other KoW articles too, really interesting analysis of what you want to achieve and how you are trying to achieve it. It will be interesting to watch your further progress
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post Aug 29 2015, 06:43 PM
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Fantastic as usual smile.gif

How are you finding the lack of magic? Particularly after so many games with versatility of a loremaster.


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post Aug 30 2015, 03:47 AM
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Thanks a lot guys!

@ Mango

Cheers! Hopefully the next bump will be with new contents smile.gif I am curious myself where this journey is going to lead me!

@ Staks

Never too late to leave the comment! armata_PDT_34.gif I am glad you liked the report, writing a few for WHFB helped for sure!

EoD is very interesting army, I think they capture that Tomb Kings theme very well.

@ Curse of Araby

Thanks! I try to do my best.

Magic definitely works so different. I don't mind having fewer spells that work in more subtle way. However, what takes time to get used to is that you cannot cast more than one spell per phase. So it means I would need to take more wizards if I wanted to do it. Which is actually tempting because it provides more options, either to increase the chance of casting the same spell or having better variety.

In general, I try to approach KoW as a new system and avoid comparisons. It deserves to be treated as a game on its own. I think that way I can learn it faster and don't limit myself with the previous experiences from WHFB. Although I would like to think I can also use these in a new game to be a better player smile.gif

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post Sep 21 2015, 11:51 PM
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Hi guys!

I have a new report for you! I got crushed this time but hopefully the report is still entertaining. I added quite a lengthy text to understand what I did wrong so maybe my following games will be better smile.gif

Game 2 - Empire of Dust - 2015/09/21

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post Oct 24 2015, 04:39 AM
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Hello,

The report from my 3rd ever game in KoW is here:

Game 3 - Orcs - 2015/10/23

Any comments and feedback are welcome! I hope you will like it.

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post Oct 24 2015, 09:19 AM
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Another great report!

It was interesting to see how hesitant your opponent was to commit the giant even when he coukd have double charged in t5. 7nteresting tactics

Thanks for taking the time to detail the battle
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post Oct 24 2015, 09:35 AM
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Great report.
The gore riders should be embarrassed , they pussy footed around too much early on.


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Nice report Swordie- Looked like wavering those Skulks early really messed up the Orcs movement. Seemed it was a rather slow advance on the right flank for the orcs which also didnt help

Look forward to the next report - too bad you played a noob in it tongue.gif


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post Oct 24 2015, 08:16 PM
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Hi guys,

Thanks for feedback, very much appreciated!

@ Mango

Thanks!

I was surprised too! After not so nice experience with Bone Giants I find any kind of big fellas very dangerous. They are tough, reasonably fast, don't care about the terrain and can handle many things alone. Not sure why he was so reluctant.

@ Keef Von Keith

My opponent said that I was the one who was too shy because according to him I had the advantage on that flank and should have pushed harder smile.gif

@ DarthSabre

Cheers!

I am still learning how to move myself but I have already learned that sometimes "Waver" result is worse than "Routed". In this case he could not charge anyway but if he wanted to move through he had to get into my charge range. Not to mention that Skullkers would have been great as living shield.

I intend to start making diagrams for the next report today so hopefully I will have it all ready soon. And don't worry, I am a noob too biggrin.gif

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post Oct 26 2015, 10:59 PM
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Hi guys,

Here is the report from the most recent game against our own Darth Sabre and his Basileans:

Game 4 - vs Basileans - 2015/10/26

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post Oct 27 2015, 05:34 PM
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Another enjoyable read, thanks!
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Great report Swordie - showed where I went wrong.

I think my first mistake was letting you go first - If I had went first I could have controlled your left flank better.

Secondly I should not have given you the gap for the Drakon Riders - your shooting was going surprisingly well so I thought I needed to advance when in reality I could have advanced as a line and prevented the flank & rear charges.

Things I leant;
1. Movement is key - need to get out of the old WHFB mindset - not being able to wheel multiple times will take some getting used to.

2. Fixed charge distances are hard to deal with when you are against a superior movement army.

3. Shooting with 5+ to hit is abysmal - elf shooting at 4+, especially with the BT's was a killer.

4. Individual characters are hard to deal with when you cant get to them - not sure how to deal with that atm.

5. I think a KoW army needs multiple threats to make your opponent think really hard about deployment - we played the basic kill scenario - with the other scenario's deployment and movement will have greater influence.

As it was my first game I got confused with movement and rules so hopefully I can only get better... well lest hope tongue.gif

Thanks for the game - already plotting my revenge


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post Oct 27 2015, 10:15 PM
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Hi guys,

Thanks a lot for comments! I am glad you liked the report!

@ DarthSabre

Lot's of great observations! Let me address them too smile.gif

1. Movement - I am still learning as well but it indeed is the key. With such a huge benefit to flank/rear attacks it is crucial that you can engineer such situations where your units have the opportunities like that.

At first, it looked to me as if KoW are slow. You can move far but cannot pivot. Even with Nimble a single pivot is not enough and if you are not careful you may need two turns even with the fastest units to get where you want.

In general, what helps me is simply thinking about KoW as it's own set of rules and stop comparing. I do like the fact you can move through your own units too as that may be a little surprising at the beginning. For example, it is easy to think the unit is blocked/protected and then they get their path cleared and can charge.

I am sure that will get smoother with practice.

2. Fixed charge distance - my initial observation is that is like in chess, you know already what pieces can do so you can (and often need to) offer exchanges. Please, note that before I did that I moved at a very slow pace because you could simply pull back out of charge range. And that allowed you to slow down a stronger flank with two elements where I had four of them there.

Another thing is that you need counter chargers ready. Even if you destroy the enemy you are not moving forward much (d6 overrun is not always enough to avoid the enemy). So if you are slower just make sure that whatever charges in gets hit back. I think charging first might not be as huge advantage as it seems if you have enough support because it is harder to initiate the attack from few directions. While the situation where the enemy bounces back allows you to get at him with more units of yours.

3. Shooting - 5+ shooting is tough but i guess that is also a reason to have more small shooting units than one big. Even 4+ is not that great sometimes (although I must say Elite helps) and while I did some considerable damage with my shooters, I still claimed only single troop with them alone! I guess psychological effect was good though smile.gif

I also think it is important to have some, just check what is available. For example, having something like breath weapon might be good and is often recommended as a good tool against fliers.

4. Individuals - yes, it is easier for them to hide and avoid being attacked but I think you had your own fliers there to try and hunt them down. Maybe even flier with breath attack?

Btw, why was it important to hunt them down? I understand that source of inspire might be one reason but what else?

5. Army Lists/Scenarios - I certainly hope the scenarios play significant role and I am curious what I will think about my own army when I try them. I agree about multiple threats and that is why I try to have some version of combined arms with my list too. It also looks better I think smile.gif

I am sure you will get way better and I am very happy to know that you are already plotting the revenge! Looking forward to our re-match!

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post Nov 3 2015, 11:19 PM
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Hi guys,

I have just updated the blog with a new report:

Game 5 - Orcs - 2015/11/03

Thanks for reading!
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post Nov 5 2015, 10:18 PM
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Hi guys,

The new report is ready!

Game 6 - Basileans - 2015/11/05

Thanks for reading!
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