QNKBBL Spring Cup Options

[giant slayer]

In that case i'll take jacobs spot then.

[knockout]

Take my spot, I'm so busy the next few weeks I doubt I'll get my games in on time!

You sure mate ???

[karmaslide]

Yep!

[Big Mill]

In that case i'll take jacobs spot then.

Alrighty then. Do you want to Squig it up this week?

[giant slayer]

Sounds good mate.

[the chad]

And again I miss my chance to verse Johno at anything! haha

But i do get an easy walk to the semi's and I hardly need the winnings. I think that's fair...Unless someone else wants an easy walk rather than a game? haha

Also, JT, your 1 player has 2 x Fan Favourite, does he not take the most SSP and thus second highest takes the Fan Fav for that slot? (AKA: tosser pile-on fag who also is SPP-hog takes SPP-hog and my troll of tard-age takes Fan Fav for Cas?)

Cheers,

Chad

[Big Mill]

And again I miss my chance to verse Johno at anything! haha

You get to verse him when he beats my Journeyrats team. Which he will win in overtime because Johnno and I have drawn every game we've played.

[Bajau]

It seems to becoming a tradition that I meet Dom in the first game of the Squig Cup...

B.

[knockout]

Also, JT, your 1 player has 2 x Fan Favourite, does he not take the most SSP and thus second highest takes the Fan Fav for that slot? (AKA: tosser pile-on fag who also is SPP-hog takes SPP-hog and my troll of tard-age takes Fan Fav for Cas?)

Yes; sorry Chad you'r Troll should have highest Cas 'Fan Fav' award.

Titles - We have "Golden" (Most SPP), "Dangerous" (Most TD), "Sniper" (Most CP), "Interceptor" (Most INT), "Vicious" (Most CAS) and "Number One" (Most MVP). Only one player can have a title at a time, and if a player already has one the second title will go to number two on the list. If two players have equal scores, no one will get it. Title holders receive the 'Fan Favourite' skill, as long as they hold the title. Titles are awarded at the update only.

Also, as far as the squig cup goes, eventual winner gets 200K + natural winnings, second place gets 100K + natural winnings, and the first player to suffer a casualty at the hands of the squig gets a 100K 'prize'.

This post has been edited by knockout: Sep 1 2011, 08:50 AM

[knockout]

Hey guys, I know I am going to de-rail the thread by doing this but I didn't think it deserved another thread (if I am proven wrong I'll start one...)

Its usually about now that someone starts hinting that there is something in the QNKBBL rules that they don't like, or want to change. TTM=SPP springs to mind of course.

Chad reminded me of this when he pointed out that of the 6 'titles' when a players has multiple he passes on his subsequent ones to the #2 ranked player. Personally this is a rule that has always irked me, but seeing as its in the rules it shall stay for the season.

That one is a minor thing though, the one I REALLY want to discuss is a minor rip off of the BABBL card rules:
for those of you who don't know, in ever regular season match both coach's are allocated 100K to their card budgets, free of charge. This can obviously be added too during the regular inducement process, with regular inducement funds.
I mentioned introducing this to a few coach's a few weeks ago (Brad and Chad I think?) and they seemed to be interested in it. As most of us have seen, cards are rarely taken and are seen as a 'less tactically valid' inducement for most games. This rule tries to put a bit more 'random' into the regular season game, without really unbalancing the game any(more).

Therefore I am proposing the following (for implementation NEXT season):

1. In all regular season match's (not Streetbowl, McMurtys, Squigball, Dungeon, or Final's Games, etc), each coach is allocated 100K to their card budget. the higher TV team then picks their card(s). Then the lower TV team can choose to add any amount of their inducement monies to the card budget, then picks their cards, and then spends any other inducement cash they had normally.

2. All card decks are combined into 'value' decks. IE if you buy a 50K card, you draw from ALL the four 50K decks, you do not get to 'choose' dirty tricks, or team plays, etc. (Some coach's do this anyway).

ED: 3. This rule would have a "unless both coach's agree not to" clause, mainly for the benefit of new coach's who are still getting their head around the regular rules.

second ED: 4. I'm pretty sure this rule already exists for us, but all cards for a game are drawn from the ONE deck. IE no double-ups can ever occure in a game.

What do people think ???



This post has been edited by knockout: Sep 1 2011, 03:30 PM

[karmaslide]

Last time this was mentioned was league one, and I left it out cos people struggled to get MRS's right, let alone extra stuff.

But now I reckon it would be good!

[knockout]

Yer, agree with you on leaving it out initially mate - I pro/con 'ed it quite a bit before I spoke up and, given the blessing of public approval, would like to see it put in now though.

Whist on the topic, I want to know if people are in agreement, opposition, or neutrality to the above AND if anyone has any LEGITIMATE new suggestions. Hit me up!

This post has been edited by knockout: Sep 1 2011, 03:27 PM

[Bajau]

Not sure if the 100K worth of cards should get picked by the highest TV coach first as they are supposed to be inducements regardless of whether they are 'standard issue' or not. Only a very minor issue but it means the player with the Highest TV, as well as having the best team, ALSO gets first choice of the available cards. We all know how 'balanced' the inducement system is anyway so the extra help is a bit much for the higher placed team.

Don't give a rats what the eventual decision is but thought I'd raise it. Sound fine otherwise as I've already indicated.

B.

[knockout]

Not sure if the 100K worth of cards should get picked by the highest TV coach first as they are supposed to be inducements regardless of whether they are 'standard issue' or not. Only a very minor issue but it means the player with the Highest TV, as well as having the best team, ALSO gets first choice of the available cards. We all know how 'balanced' the inducement system is anyway so the extra help is a bit much for the higher placed team.

Its not a "choice" of cards, per-say, you still draw randomly from a value deck (IE two 50K cards, or one 100K card)

Regarding the 'higher TV coach goes first':

It is as per normal inducment process; higher TV goes first - page 28 of the PDF CRP states (brackets by me)

"If the superior opponent (refering to the higher TV coach) wishes to purchase inducments with gold from his petty cash he must do so before the underdog purchases any of his inducments."

This is a proceedure that should remain consistent, IMO. Hence, higher TV first.

^ Is that a good explanation? or am I just confusing people more?

This post has been edited by knockout: Sep 1 2011, 04:51 PM

[the chad]

I think for balance sake, the 1 Fan Favourite per player should be left as is. Solely for the fact that the player on most SPP is almost ALWAYS the highest in one of the other catagories two, simply because SPPs come from achieving the other tasks anyways haha.

On the more focused topic of cards: I say trial it next season, with highest TV picks first (Whatev's really, if they pick duds, it acctually increased the second persons chances of picking a goodie!). The games insane enough, cards can hardly make it worse!

Lastly, I think TTM = Completion! I WANT MY TROLLS TO GET LOTS OF COMPLETIONS!

[knockout]

I think for balance sake, the 1 Fan Favourite per player should be left as is. Solely for the fact that the player on most SPP is almost ALWAYS the highest in one of the other catagories two, simply because SPPs come from achieving the other tasks anyways haha.

The way I wanted it was this:

If 'Jim the awsome' has 3 titles; most SPP, most completions, and most TD's, he only gest 1 'fan fav' modifier, but the other two go to no one. they don't get 'passed down'.

This only bothered me when, and it happened a few times, where my were-wolf was the highest TD scorer, but also the most SPP player, and he played a game AGAINST the second highest TD scorer and they got the Fan Fav modifier for it... Has just always irked me But yer, go free cards !!!

This post has been edited by knockout: Sep 1 2011, 05:10 PM

[Big Mill]

Lastly, I think TTM = Completion! I WANT MY TROLLS TO GET LOTS OF COMPLETIONS!

I think this too! But I had to wait for someone else to say it first, otherwise it becomes another Millsy rant. Everyone knows that to actually achieve it takes a lot of rolls and lots of luck.

I know and understand Jacob's reasoning about not including it because not every team is able to do this. BUT, as we all know every team is designed differently and I could very well argue that not every team can roll two 2's and get a completion (Elves). TTM is a teams (stunty) valid PASS action. The same as a COMPLETION is a valid PASS action (any team really, but AG4 more so). As anyone who watched or heard about my games with Orcly Warringah would tell you, TTM is not a reliable option (and probably cost me many games where I could have won, or atleast drawn). Is 1 SPP for all that risk really going to overpower a team? I personally don't think so.

Add to these facts that;
1: I don't have a TTM option this season
2: I will probably be taking Norse or Brettonians next season (once agian, no TTM)
So this is not about personal gain. I honestly think it should be considered (or reconsidered) and not just from a OMG Millsy is on it again, but from a "Will this overpower or distort the game?" standpoint.

Millsy

P.S. I won't be upset either way, but just think about it.

P.P.S. Forgot to mention that in order for TTM to earn SPP's the stunty must have ball in hand.

[Big Mill]

The way I wanted it was this:

If 'Jim the awsome' has 3 titles; most SPP, most completions, and most TD's, he only gest 1 'fan fav' modifier, but the other two go to no one. they don't get 'passed down'.

This only bothered me when, and it happened a few times, where my were-wolf was the highest TD scorer, but also the most SPP player, and he played a game AGAINST the second highest TD scorer and they got the Fan Fav modifier for it... Has just always irked me But yer, go free cards !!!

I can see how this is broken. I'm playing against a player who I am better than, but he is getting a bonus for it. Doesn't seem right when put like that.

[the chad]

Well another option for the SPP discussion is get rid of "most SPP". As to have most SPP you're going to be getting most Cas or most TDs. If you ditch most SPP, its rare that a player has most Cas AND most TD/passes and so on. All i see happening is whoever has most SPP is just going to nerf a catagory really, that simple.

I can see how it is stupid that your player who is better some how not only dosnt get the reward, but gets the reward used against him...but most SPP is always going to be due to success in one of the other catagories (maybe not Intercepts haha).

Just my 2c

Chad

[karmaslide]

Getting rid of the most SPP title could fix a lot of things, but considering titles and fan favs were house ruled I tried to keep them balanced, and generally with the next player getting it they spread around a bit. It's not about making good players better - it was designed to paint a target on them!

Also... I *could* live with, under extreme duress, TTM getting a completion IF the thrown player has the ball.

Big guys are designed to skill slowly. I don't want to see trolls in the backfield chuckin' gobbos to no one with no consequence to get SPP. That is super ghey, and don't say it would never happen because we are all farming bastards at heart. Even me!

I still don't like it but, and it wouldn't be in if I was Commish. But I'm not so I'll stop now.