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post Oct 28 2015, 02:20 AM
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Hey guys getting back into painting again ,but I'm needing a nice grey undercoat for my base coat ,thats usable on plastics as well as metal. So I'm putting it out there as to what everyone else uses and why


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post Oct 28 2015, 07:51 AM
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I personally use the GW black spray works well. I know one of the guys uses I think Vallejo Grey Primer in his airbrush and that works well for him.


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post Oct 28 2015, 09:42 AM
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I use army painter, uniform grey and ultramarine blue. I find they're both pretty decent and do the job quite well.

No real complaints.
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post Oct 28 2015, 10:52 AM
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Why grey?

I use white when the majority of the follow up colours are light/bright and thin. Needing a white coat.
I use black used when the follow up colours are dark etc (What I use for my Marines)
I even use army painter spray ork green for my orks.

Generally though, I use Valejo primer through an airbrush for my black undercoats, But I also use spray cans of Army painter or GW for Black and white if I am too lazy to clean the airbrush or it is a small job.

I use the same paint for both plastic, resin and metal. Just wash them beforehand and they should all work.

Some people use car primer sprays for undercoats, as a cheaper alternative to GW etc.

I use which ever is easier on the day.


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post Oct 28 2015, 11:14 AM
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I use grey just because it works better with my colour scheme. I play guard and their armour is blue, their tunics are grey. I find the blue goes nicely over the grey and the grey tunics generally need less work to make them look good.
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post Oct 28 2015, 03:03 PM
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I always use the $4 can from Bunnings. never had an issue with it


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post Oct 28 2015, 06:56 PM
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For plastic use Vallejo Model Air primer comes in lots of colours including grey.

For metal GW overpriced but adheres best.

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post Oct 28 2015, 08:47 PM
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It amazes me that people use expensive cans of spray. I've tried some of them but can't get past the $4 cans from super cheap. I've been using the same brand for 20 years.
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post Oct 28 2015, 08:53 PM
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It amazes me that people use expensive cans of spray. I've tried some of them but can't get past the $4 cans from super cheap. I've been using the same brand for 20 years.

It's sometimes kinda hard to find them in matt but yeah, fiddly bits primers are great.


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post Oct 28 2015, 10:48 PM
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QUOTE(Speedhump @ Oct 28 2015, 11:52 AM) *

Why grey?

I use white when the majority of the follow up colours are light/bright and thin. Needing a white coat.
I use black used when the follow up colours are dark etc (What I use for my Marines)
I even use army painter spray ork green for my orks.

Generally though, I use Valejo primer through an airbrush for my black undercoats, But I also use spray cans of Army painter or GW for Black and white if I am too lazy to clean the airbrush or it is a small job.

I use the same paint for both plastic, resin and metal. Just wash them beforehand and they should all work.

Some people use car primer sprays for undercoats, as a cheaper alternative to GW etc.

I use which ever is easier on the day.

Well I'm wanting light and dark colors for my army ,I'm not wanting to put 6+ layers to get back to a nice white I do have a air brush so I can make light work of undercoating but I'd prefure said spray can as clean up of the airbrush can take a bit and while white is easy to start with I find I need multiple coats of sotek green to get that deep rich color that hides the white completely and well grey is far easier to get back to white than black

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post Oct 28 2015, 10:58 PM
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So udo and Jim what brand is it that you guys use


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post Oct 29 2015, 07:15 AM
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I have never read the brand name. I think its called tidbits or something like that.

I have been playing since I was 13 and painting just as long. I have only used gw sprays a handful of times, but I haven't honestly noticed much difference.

When you buy the cheap stuff its not commonly called a primer, its often something like Matt black or flat black. So long as you stay away from the gloss stuff you will be fine.


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post Oct 29 2015, 10:35 AM
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The $3-4 cans can be a little thick on details.

The $7-9 Flat white or Flat Black (I use Squirts or Sugar) are OK for vehicles or rank and file unit filler.

I still have a can of GW or Army painter for Characters or models that are going to be centre piece models (with a lot of fine details).


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post Oct 30 2015, 06:53 AM
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I use Export brand matt black, matt white and grey primer from Supercheap. I've done so for 20 years. I must have used 100's of them. They work fine on plastic, resin and metal. They are not heavy on detail. They normal rules of spray can priming apply. I.e: Multiple thin coats, keep the spray moving, shake the can, clean out the can at the end of a session etc.

I use the matt colour bond colour spays from bunnings ($12ish) for terrain and they're heavy on detail if you don't go easy.


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My experience with cheap spray cans is that the nozzle is not as well made as GW or Army painter (on average).
That is why I take the time to use the airbrush (Even with cleaning time.)

The case for Grey undercoat is interesting. I use a lot of Vallejo paints, and normally only one coat of white over black is enough to work. I just did 12 assault jump packs last night. Black base, white on some panels, one coat of red. (All Vallejo paints).
I have also used Humbrol model master in previous years, one coat yellow over black was amazing.

Has anyone ever tried swapping a GW or AP nozzle onto a cheap spray can? Does it work?



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Has anyone ever tried swapping a GW or AP nozzle onto a cheap spray can? Does it work?

yeah that works. you can also buy nozzels from spray shops for various more specialised features.


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post Nov 5 2015, 03:34 PM
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I haven't had any issues with the said cheap nozzles, I can't agree with this point. If you take care of the can and clean the nozzle out after use then it will last a long while


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post Nov 6 2015, 05:11 PM
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Vallejo grey primer used with an airbrush... Once you go airbrush primer you never go back... Quick, easy, gets all up in the fiddly bits.
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post Nov 8 2015, 07:25 AM
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How long do you need to wait after applying Vallejo AB primer before you can start base coating?
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about 34 seconds. seriously, it's acrylic and dries thin and quick. It absolutely cannot be sanded though. Just kinda tears off.
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