[40k][JoL10] Imperial Guard Sth Wales Borderers, 750pts - 'Finito' Options

[blackwolf]

Dood, the camo came out well. I reckon you've captured the look and feel of the British camo from your photo's quite well. A whole army of those blighters will blend right in to most gaming boards!

2 questions for your good self...

1) How will you go about highlighting them?

2) What theme will you do the bases in?

[Tomsey]

Looks great so far mate.

[Diesel]

Great start Ry.

Would love a close up of he camo, from that distance it just looks a bit busy.

Will be good to see them in squads...kudos dude!

Deez

[Welsh Rarebit]

Cheers guys,

Mat,

A whole army of those blighters will blend right in to most gaming boards!

I'm going through "moods" looking at the single models. I think as a stand alone they look a little "meh" at times but then i'm envisioning a whole freaking regiment painted in the scheme with Armour and i reckon it'll be sweet. I think if i keep 'da eyes on the prize and get taken through "Airbrush 101" over Roy's when i start with the Valks and Russes then i won't be far off where i want to be when this force is finished.

1) How will you go about highlighting them?

Honestly? No freakin' idea...open to suggestions....Golden, i'm looking at you dood.

What theme will you do the bases in?

Well, i've ditched the idea of green stuffing leaves to their heads haha so the bases will be open to creativity. It'll be a British Woodland....trees, leaves, mud, grass, coke cans, used condoms etc etc....

[blackwolf]

A suggestion for the bases... take a look at what Realm of Legends sell in regards to basing products, such as the grass tufts etc. They've got loads of great gear.

[Welsh Rarebit]

Will explain about non Camo detail at the end of this post.

Oops...didn't do that, better do it now.

Looked at the model before applying base coat and figured i wanted the Flak Jacket incorporated into the scheme. If you look at the average Brit Squaddie they tend to be head to foot in the gear. However, i wanted to break up the model a little from that and further personalize it if you will. The Belt, as mentioned before gives me a hard line seperation on the mini as otherwise they'll look like thay are wearing boiler suits.
The Boots are British Issue and also assist in this. The shoulder pads are for my Regiment identification attempts. Being from Sth Wales, i decided pretty early that i wouldn't be painting the national flag on these suckers...however, if i get a Standard Bearer that possibility opens right up. Red White and Green doesn't fit very well on Brit Camo, FYI, this is the Welsh flag:




That would look crap on the pads and would defo be too hard basket. Recent attempts at the Dawg Pound logo incorporated freehand onto my Daemons force might see me attempt it on a banner or a tank.....back burner for now.

The design i will be incorporating on the Shoulder Pads of the entire regiment will be the flag of our patron Saint....Dewi Sant (Saint David). Gaining popularity with the Welsh Nationalists of late and often seen on the Terraces of Cardiff City as teh hooliganz run riot. Might be an opportunity to incorporate the Saint into the fluff at some later stage. The flag looks thus:



Much more manageable and more fitting with the overall scheme of the regiment.

[Orgz]

A suggestion to make the raised surfaces stick out a bit more would be to drybrush some white over black before you chuck your paint on.. If you paint it thinly enough, the white should show through a little bit making the camo seem a fraction lighter on the raised surfaces.

[cmdr_roy]

I think if i keep 'da eyes on the prize and get taken through "Airbrush 101" over Roy's when i start with the Valks and Russes then i won't be far off where i want to be when this force is finished.

Anytime mate
Camo scheme looks good, get a whole unit up to that stage and see how it looks on the table, that might help with deciding how much more needs to be done.

[Welsh Rarebit]

Cheers mate. Will tap you up for Air brush purchasing tips also when the time comes (Xmas time i expect)

Worked a bit on the Sergeant tonight, filling in some of the detail. Will update again over the coming days and then paint the whole box of Shock Troops to see how they square up.

In other news folks, Judgement of Legends has now gone LIVE to the public. Full Official details are now linked in my sig.

Cheers everyone.

[Welsh Rarebit]

A small update.

After another trip to Realm earlier, a list is beginning to formulate. I purchased:

Cadian Battleforce
Sentinel (one in the BF gives me 2)
Chimera

On top of that, i started looking at bases. I've gone with the Back to Base IX "Forest" bases.



And to snazz these up a bit i also bought some "Mini Natur Late Autumn Grass Tufts" that will be incorporated into the basing of this army.



Some of these bases are nearly all tree trunk.....this forces me into some conversion work later on down the track. I'm thinking Guardsmen taking cover behind a stump to draw a bead on the enemy - things like that.

For my test mini, he's going to be standing on top of a Trunk. It raises him a bit which in these days of TLoS is probably not cool, but he's a Guardsman so i guess he's expendable. It'll look like he's jumped on there to address his squad and dish out orders.

Just on the subject of that Test mini, progress has been made. He's not far off done but i won't post a picture until he's fully based and completed. I do have a clearer direction now about where i'm going with this force so can probably answer some questions a little better than before:

1) How will you go about highlighting them?

Had a couple of options and suggestions open to me. In the end i decided that i would attempt a very fine highlighting of the tunic/pockets/flak jacket with Scorpion Green. It actually worked better than i expected(imo of course )

What theme will you do the bases in?

See above

I'll also be doing Gold for the St David's cross design.....yellow is the suck. Officially, the colour is "Gold" anyways even though it looks yellow on that piccy i posted.

I'm away to Longford tomorrow arvo and won't be back until Friday arvo, i then have Apoc next weekend. Hopefully i can get some hobby done before i leave tomoz and get a picture up. If not, it'll be the week after next.


On a seperate note. So pleased/chuffed to see the response from the community over this JoL incentive. Really loving the ideas and plans that are going right now and it's created quite a buzz around the traps. Awesome work everyone.

[Welsh Rarebit]

Progress? PROGRESS??

Nay, nay and thrice nay......

Completed the first mini after, what? a month? Tourneys keep coming thick and fast interrupting my hobby-fu but i managed to knock the Sergeant over and also complete his base.

Its usual Tourney criteria to have the leaders of your squads stand out, so this cat lets call him "Sergeant Jones"

(Pvt. William Jones: What's he up to, 593?
Pte. Robert Jones: Oh, I think he wants to be hero, 716.
Cpl. Frederic Schiess, NNC: Haven't you rednecks got names instead of numbers?
Pte. Robert Jones: 'Tis a Welsh regiment, man! I am Jones from Builth Wait, he is Jones from Builth Wells, and there are four more Joneses in C Company! Confusing, isn't it, Dutchy? ...." )

Sergeant Jones is standing atop a Tree stump, either adressing his troops or leading a charge. I don't think i could make him stand out more from a crowd if i tried. The detail does get lost in the Camo scheme so i addressed this by giving a highlight of Scorpion Green to the edges of the flak jacket and tunic.
The base was painted with Scorched Brown with a Devlan Mud wash. Highlights to the stump were done with snakebite leather and the mud was givin a Graveyard Earth light drybrush. The leaves were first painted with Goblin Green, washed with Thraka and highlighted with Scorpion Green. Tufts of Grass from the Mini Natur pack were then added for a little extra detail.

[Rojo]

Strip him and start again. Your painting is bad and you should feel bad .

Nah, he looks alright, but as you said, the detail gets washed out with the camo. Not sure how to address that, other than to make the rest of the mini look more awesome to compensate.

[mjb]

On a tree stump taking a leek?

[Drazah]

bases look nice ^^, also how do you find that grass tuft stuff, was looking at getting some?

[Golden]

To try and keep the detail, i'd suggest making the camo patches larger, or less crowded. This will make his clothes seem less 'busy'.

Also, try a model from a black undercoat Wales and see how you do

[dedhed]

yeah I was going to use them for my guard army too (forest bases) but as you said there isnt much room on some of them, so I went for the desert bases instead.

[Neopoleon]

To try and keep the detail, i'd suggest making the camo patches larger, or less crowded. This will make his clothes seem less 'busy'.

Also, try a model from a black undercoat Wales and see how you do

Hi Ryland - agree with Golden here. IRL the idea behind camo is not to make the object look like the background, but to break up the lines of the object so that its outline is not clearly distinguishable against the background - entirely the opposite of what miniature painting is trying to achieve!

In saying that, its important for your theme to have DPM "ish" clothing, but perhaps make the armour a solid plain colour, that will 'frame' the clothing and the face - and should stand out - so perhaps a different colour from what you use in the camo.

Also, when I did my guard, I made a shoulder pad red, to draw the eye in to what are essentially real life looking (and therefore) quite drab, military models - not overly realistic, but hell, were talking about blokes who fight 8' tall super humans with mini rocket launcher automatic weapons!

[tartanarmy]

Ha Ha!

your a hobbyist now. No running away from it.

highlight camo?...................................devaln mud...........entire model

[Welsh Rarebit]

Thanks for feedback guys, all taken on board.

bases look nice ^^, also how do you find that grass tuft stuff, was looking at getting some?

Its pretty good mate, pluck it off with a tweezerz (silence Bolesy!) slap a bit of glue on the bottom and stick it to the base. Works a treat.

Ok so the question is Real Life v's Conventional mini painting.

Golden, i'm not making the Camo scheme larger as i'll lose the intended scheme dood. I've undercoated and base coated the rest of the squad tonight and will have a look at how they look together as a unit and go from there. To be honest, i'm more than happy with the mini....in person anyway. I much prefer my own jaded eyesight over shonky cameras telling me lies The Black shoulderpads stay as thats the scheme for the flag of St David (Black w/ Gold Cross) and i'm not attempting freehanding the Welsh Dragon on the pads in all the Red, White and Green splendour.

but perhaps make the armour a solid plain colour, that will 'frame' the clothing and the face - and should stand out - so perhaps a different colour from what you use in the camo.

I did give that some thought Ben when i started painting the test mini. I originally didn't camo the flak jacket and tried to figure out what it would look like in a different colour but in the end, decided to defer back to the original full body scheme that i posted in the concept (them Falklands squaddies in one of the first posts) I'm obviously going full bore for realism here unless they look abysmal as a unit then it'll be overhauled using some of these suggestions.....except Rojo's.

highlight camo?...................................devaln mud...........entire model

Well there is always that Al. *Must.....resist......Devlan.....Mud......Gah!!......*

[InvaderZim]

Good work Ry. I like it.

The trick with doing camo or IG uniforms in traditional uniform tones is that you run the risk of being overlooked by all the - oh look isn't it pretty and bright - armies.

I found this to my frustration when the painting judges are normally drawn to the bright and shiny SM or Eldar type armies.

So the catch is to have attention grabbing unit markings and weapons or accessories.

I'd suggest maybe trying the Welsh flag as a simple test. A two colour white/green flag with a free hand dragon shape is probably doable and less trouble than it sounds.

I don't suggest actually painting a detailed dragon, but doing a glyph or rune that is vaguely the same shape might be enough.

The red white green would make it eye catching. Black and gold yellow may be too simple.