Sunshine Coast Flames of War Options

[Fingolfin]

As it seems FOW is finally picking up in interest in the club, I thought we could start a new thread.

Some may know I have a British Tank Company Late War. Now I know we can play friendly vs friendly but Im thinking of getting a Late War Axis force. Thinking infantry but not sure where to start.

This post has been edited by Fingolfin: Aug 22 2010, 12:08 PM

[wynter]

Alright Im on the Bandwagon! Just ordered SS panzergrenadier company and open fire. Next month is the Nebelwerfer squad and 2 jagdpanthers.

[jas]

As it seems FOW is finally picking up in interest in the club, I thought we could start a new thread.

Some may know I have a British Tank Company Late War. Now I know we can play friendly vs friendly but Im thinking of getting a Late War Axis force. Thinking infantry but not sure where to start.

Stu, it depends whether you want elite infantry or heer.

Elite you could do Fallschirmjager or SS. Pros are the are very hardy, have a heap of modelling choices, look damn cool and can span all 3 periods if painted right and using the right models.
Cons are they can be difficult to play and a b**ch to paint with all that camo.

Heer are a bit easier to play and paint and are easy to span all 3 periods but not quite as romantic as Fallschirmjager and not as ruthless as SS.

My personal recommendation is Fallschimjager if you can handle all that splinter camo. You can mix it up with a lot of plain smocks to make it easier to paint. The miniatures are nice and you have heaps of choices for support and can play them in any theatre/period with out any real stress with how you have painted them.

@ Wynter - yay! Look forward to seeing them in action. Get practicing your peadot and oakleaf camo!!

I am nearly ready to start painting my yanks (yay! go the Time on Target!!) so we should have a fair bit of variety of the coming months!!

[Lighthorse214]

Well aint this nice a FoW page

I can run a Soviet force in MW and LW.......roll on the "Barbarossa" book...where the KV1 is the "Tiger" of EW

I usually run my Russians as a regualr Strelkovy Coy. (Infantry Company for you capitalist types)

But I can also run them as Tankovy Coy (No prizes for guessing the transaltion there)

In Addition i can now run them as Guards Strelkovy and Guards Tankovy Coy. Soviet Guards being the "elite"... cough...cough for Russian players (Fearless - Trained)

I will soon be able to put a fair sized Russian Hamlet (of 10 buildings...when my package arrives from the UK) on the board as well as some presentable forests, my hills are rather crap and left over from my old WH fantasy days (bright green and terraced.....shugger )

One thing I will say is that a FoW board absolutely MUST be "festooned" with lots of terrain if you want a good game.

[jas]

I will soon be able to put a fair sized Russian Hamlet (of 10 buildings...when my package arrives from the UK) on the board as well as some presentable forests, my hills are rather crap and left over from my old WH fantasy days (bright green and terraced.....shugger )

One thing I will say is that a FoW board absolutely MUST be "festooned" with lots of terrain if you want a good game.

Are you getting some of the Total Battle Miniatures buildings? I'm curious to see their stuff in the flesh if they are. I have been eyeing off some of their Normandy stuff.
I have about enough terrain to cover two 6x4 tables but I can generally only bring enough for 1 table when I travel to games.
I don't always agree with the terrain chocked table. I think generally the rule suits but when playing campaigns or trying to set the scene of a battle more open terrain is suitable - maybe about 40k level. I think sometimes even mixing it up every couple of games to get one used to different tactics can be useful. Especially for the tourney scene.
It's great to see a few people getting into FoW locally. I'm really looking forward to next weekend!

[Lighthorse214]

Are you getting some of the Total Battle Miniatures buildings? I'm curious to see their stuff in the flesh if they are. I have been eyeing off some of their Normandy stuff.
I have about enough terrain to cover two 6x4 tables but I can generally only bring enough for 1 table when I travel to games.
I don't always agree with the terrain chocked table. I think generally the rule suits but when playing campaigns or trying to set the scene of a battle more open terrain is suitable - maybe about 40k level. I think sometimes even mixing it up every couple of games to get one used to different tactics can be useful. Especially for the tourney scene.
It's great to see a few people getting into FoW locally. I'm really looking forward to next weekend!

Hey mate...this is the site my new terrain is comming from:

http://www.kerrandking.co.uk/

[glynaynsley]

This game looks interesting and tiny, will be watching in on 1 of these games.

[Fingolfin]

I think I heading down the Grenadier route..

HQ
Grenadier Platoons
HMG teams
Pak 40 gun teams
8.8 Pak 43 big guns
Tanks? Stug Gs?

Any suggestions?....

Either that or Sturmdivision perhaps.

Jas did give me some pointers but me being me forgot to write what he suggested down..

Had a cracking few games against Jon (using my army spilt in two) on Saturday night... was a good laugh!

This post has been edited by Fingolfin: Aug 22 2010, 09:58 PM

[jas]

I think I heading down the Grenadier route..

HQ
Grenadier Platoons
HMG teams
Pak 40 gun teams
8.8 Pak 43 big guns
Tanks? Stug Gs?

Any suggestions?....

Either that or Sturmdivision perhaps.

Jas did give me some pointers but me being me forgot to write what he suggested down..

Had a cracking few games against Jon (using my army spilt in two) on Saturday night... was a good laugh!

Good to see you getting some practice in Stu.

Ok, to summerise veteran infantry. The theory I think works best is full platoons, dug in and well supported. Infantry are vulnerable on the move but unbelievably resilient when dug in. Large platoons put out good ROF but with the exception of pioneers and US Armoured Rifles, weak vs tanks. So eliminate your weakness. Support them with good AT. Paks for fixed emplacements, assault guns for mobile. With Grens I would recommend fixed so lots of pak40s and 88s (might have to check Fortress Europe as I can't remember whether you can field pak40s with pak43s or if you'll need to take pak40s with flak 88s). But don't forget, if you are static you need to draw your opponent in. To force your opponent to attack your "festung" (or fortress) you need good artillery pounding away at their forces. Nebs are cheap, good at hitting your opponent, smoke and pinning infantry. But to kill tanks you need big guns. I would recommend a full battery of sfh18s and some nebs. Round this all off with some HMGs to support your platoons and you're all good.
Obviously you can adjust this list depending on the models you prefer but that's the basic theory.

[Fingolfin]

With Grens I would recommend fixed so lots of pak40s and 88s (might have to check Fortress Europe as I can't remember whether you can field pak40s with pak43s or if you'll need to take pak40s with flak 88s). But don't forget, if you are static you need to draw your opponent in. To force your opponent to attack your "festung" (or fortress) you need good artillery pounding away at their forces. Nebs are cheap, good at hitting your opponent, smoke and pinning infantry. But to kill tanks you need big guns. I would recommend a full battery of sfh18s and some nebs. Round this all off with some HMGs to support your platoons and you're all good.
Obviously you can adjust this list depending on the models you prefer but that's the basic theory.

Got my book back this arvo after leaving it at Jons on Sat night.

The Grens can take the Pak 40s and the Pak 43s so looks like Ill head down that route. They can take alot of guns its seems so hopefully I can fit them all in.

[jas]

Got my book back this arvo after leaving it at Jons on Sat night.

The Grens can take the Pak 40s and the Pak 43s so looks like Ill head down that route. They can take alot of guns its seems so hopefully I can fit them all in.

Yeah, I checked it out too.
The good thing is infantry is sooo damn cheap you have plenty of room for support.

[glynaynsley]

Quick question been looking at the prices for this stuff and it seems crazy expensive for the amount you get and the size of it.

Is this a common misconception or is it more of an investment than GW.

[ragnarok14]

I'm sure it comes as no surprise to many that the silver smith is making his way into yet another system...

That said this is a really great fun, solid game that manages to do a very good job of representing the 'fluff' in game. So looks like it will be british rifle company for me, plenty of big guns making things go boom. Will probably also go down the commando route to, nothing like a bunch of fearless veterans with a bunch of special rules.

As for the price, its not cheap and will probably cost between $150-300 for a 1500pt force with a few extras depending on how elite you want to go. Its probably more expensive than most would expect but the game is well worth it.

[Fingolfin]

Id say misconception, espically when you can get it from sources alot less that RRP. Mind you I havent done the maths when comparing say a 40K 1500pt force to a 1500 pts force of FOW.

Buts its very good fun and the games support is great. Found the rules for British Commandos in Normandy, which is a free PDF. Naval support anyone?

[jas]

I would say far cheaper on average than GW. Whilst the scale varies on the armies you play. Considering your basic force consists of 1 HQ and 2 combat platoons, you don't need much to play. Numbers wise you could equate to 1 base or vehicle averages 1 figure in say 40k. So lets do the maths on my panzer company I played the other night.

HQ + 1st Combat Platoon = 5 x Panzer IV (about $55 boxed set)
2 nd Combat Platoon = 3 x Panthers (about $45 for 3)
Support = Neb Batterie + 1 pak40 ($23 for blister)
Support = Pak40 Platoon 2 guns ($45 for 4 guns)
Support = Panzer Grenadier Platoon understrength ( $20 for full platoon)

So all up a complete 1500 balanced force is $200. Not bad I'd say.

[Fingolfin]

And was a pretty good list from where I was standing.

Just finalising my axis list and I think Im heading to about 2000pts of the little buggers. Comes in around $350+ with paints. Why 2000? Cause the list I liked came to that....

Plus if I have to play with myself... erm I have equal points on the table.... ah jez.... big hole..

This post has been edited by Fingolfin: Aug 24 2010, 11:11 AM

[jas]

And was a pretty good list from where I was standing.

Just finalising my axis list and I think Im heading to about 2000pts of the little buggers. Comes in around $350+ with paints. Why 2000? Cause the list I liked came to that....

Plus if I have to play with myself... erm I have equal points on the table.... ah jez.... big hole..

Watchya gettin, Stu?

[Fingolfin]

Watchya gettin, Stu?

That will spoil the surprise....

LOL like i will be able to not tell anyone.

HQ grends
3x Platoons of Grens
2x Machine Guns platoons
4x Pak 40s, One attaches to my Nebs cause I can only have 3 in a platoon.
2x 8.8 Pak 43 on turntable things
4x Heavy Art 10.5 the big guns
6x Nebs cause the 41s come in 3 per blister and i need 4
Art HQ cause the Nebs had no observers
Box of Panzer IV cause I love my tanks and thought why not
Plus the paint kits for armour and infantry.

Just need to place the order but work summons me away.

This post has been edited by Fingolfin: Aug 24 2010, 11:37 AM

[jas]

That will spoil the surprise....

LOL like i will be able to not tell anyone.

HQ grends
3x Platoons of Grens
2x Machine Guns platoons
4x Pak 40s, One attaches to my Nebs cause I can only have 3 in a platoon.
2x 8.8 Pak 43 on turntable things
4x Heavy Art 10.5 the big guns
6x Nebs cause the 41s come in 3 per blister and i need 4
Art HQ cause the Nebs had no observers
Box of Panzer IV cause I love my tanks and thought why not
Plus the paint kits for armour and infantry.

Just need to place the order but work summons me away.

Can't get 15cm nebs at the mo. You can get the 21cm and just use them as 15s. They come with OP and HQ.
Don't get 10.5 arty. They aren't the big guns. sfh18s are the big guns. 15cms. You are wasting your time with 10.5s. If you want to kill stuff sfh18s are the go. Other than that great stuff!

[Fingolfin]

Can't get 15cm nebs at the mo. You can get the 21cm and just use them as 15s. They come with OP and HQ.
Don't get 10.5 arty. They aren't the big guns. sfh18s are the big guns. 15cms. You are wasting your time with 10.5s. If you want to kill stuff sfh18s are the go. Other than that great stuff!

Yeah my bad I did order the 15s sfh18s so all good. Phew

Battlefront had the 41 Nebs listed so I thought I could get them.... hope Im right...