Australasian Team Challenge - Who wants to come? Options

[difsta]

Hi All,

For those who don't know me, my name is Josh Diffey, I play down at the battle bunker in northcote. I am one of the committee members for the Australasian Team Challenge.

What is it you ask, well check out the sub forum ATC

Basically it is a team 40k tournament, where each state sends a team of 8 to the tournament, and Victoria then beats everyone and we take the trophy home

What I need is for people to let me know, either by responding here or pm'ing me with either suggestions on who the team captain should (feel free to nominate yourself) and/or if you would be interested.

What I need from people at the moment is to let me know one thing, if they want to play.

This year it is being held in Canberra, we are sending a team of 8. As far as how we choose the team, that is up to us (being VIC). We could hold mini tournaments, base it on rankings hq (I wouldn't suggest this as it is non comp and nothing like most of the tournaments where you gain points for rankings hq).

At this stage I would like to put up my hand for both playing in, and if no one else wants the position, captain. I can participate in the event unless it is held in VIC, as I will be running it.

While I am a committee member, I have no decision on how we make the team or who goes in it. The committee of the ATC have decided it is up to the states to decide their own teams. So any suggestions I am putting forward are just suggestions. WE come up with our team

let the discussions begin

At this stage I think officially all that have said they want to be part of the team are:

Joshua Diffey - dark eldar, daemons, space marines, dark angels
Brenton Shaw - black templars, daemons
Jason Best
Shaun Hogan - eldar, blood angels
Aaron Graham
Christian Fulton - blood angels
Raymond Barbulescu - dark angels
Michael Boles - Chaos Space Marines (maybe, said "might be interesting")
Robert Greenwood (might be interested, will let me know after the 22nd of March)

Declines:
Matt Eaton
Chris Stalker
Cam Auty

Cheers
Josh

This post has been edited by difsta: Mar 8 2011, 07:29 AM

[Blade_of_Apollo]

Can we worry about the captaincy later and get a list of potential players first?

I'd like to nominate the following players for a position.

Matt Eaton
Cam Auty
Christian Fulton
Chris Stalker


This post has been edited by Blade_of_Apollo: Mar 2 2011, 01:00 AM

[difsta]

Can we worry about the captaincy later and get a list of potential players first?

I'd like to nominate the following players for a position.

Matt Eaton
Cam Auty
Christian Fulton
Chris Stalker

I have sms'd Christian (seeing him tonight, so will ask him in person).

As for the others, I don't know them personally, but know of them and they place high on a regular occasion. So more than happy for anyone who is interested to say they want to play.

While I know some of the wargamerau handles for some of these players, it would be good if you were nominating players besides yourself to add there handle in (if you know it) so I can pm them.

Spread the word, I know a couple of the other states are almost organised.

cheers
josh

[Cave]

If you want to do this properly you should grab the states top 10 players and give them the option to represent the state. Basically start from one and work your way down. The European team championships basically do that, on a national level - start at the topic and work down.

Victoria is home to some of the largest tournaments in the country, with a very large core of tournament players - all the proper tournaments contribute to rankings. Anything less than the best ranked players truly isn't representative of tournament players in the state.

[difsta]

If you want to do this properly you should grab the states top 10 players and give them the option to represent the state. Basically start from one and work your way down. The European team championships basically do that, on a national level - start at the topic and work down.

Victoria is home to some of the largest tournaments in the country, with a very large core of tournament players - all the proper tournaments contribute to rankings. Anything less than the best ranked players truly isn't representative of tournament players in the state.

I was considering this as an option, the issue is that 99% of tournaments in vic have comp, sports, paint, etc. RankingsHQ is irrelevant for selecting teams for a non compd tournament.

I then thought, well we could just look at who has the highest battle scores, but once again, they attended comp'd tournaments, and therefore it is not a clear representation of how they would go against cheese.

I was hoping to simply start by getting a list of people who want to go to canberra and play. Then once we have that, between the group we can decide. I would suggest some mini tournaments could be held to work it out, or something of the like. This is how other states are planning on doing it, but at this stage I am just trying to get the discussions flowing.

[Blade_of_Apollo]

I then thought, well we could just look at who has the highest battle scores, but once again, they attended comp'd tournaments, and therefore it is not a clear representation of how they would go against cheese.

I would think a general who can make a terrible list win would do even better with a hard list.

[Blade_of_Apollo]

This is how other states are planning on doing it, but at this stage I am just trying to get the discussions flowing.

S.A. are running off rankings, QLD are just arguing for now AFAIK.

[difsta]

I would think a general who can make a terrible list win would do even better with a hard list.

completly disagree. Just cause it is a comp friendly list, does not make it terrible, and it is not about writing hard lists, it is about playing against hard lists.

What it comes down to, is if the majority of people want to do it by rankings, then this is a team which is meant to represent the state, and we will pick it by rankings.

Lets just work out who is interested, and then once we have that we can decide how we actually pick the team. If you want the highest ranked players, and you know them, pm, email, sms or talk to them. Tell them to get on here. Basically I personally want the best team possible.

cheers,
josh

[neil]

I was considering this as an option, the issue is that 99% of tournaments in vic have comp, sports, paint, etc. RankingsHQ is irrelevant for selecting teams for a non compd tournament.

We have a mix of comp and no-comp tourneys in SA. There's not a significant difference in podium places between them. (Tom allways wins ). that sounds bad.. there is some variety actually, Tom doesn't win every tournament. He can't attend all of them.

But seriously, comp doesn't make much difference. If you look at the people in the top 5 of the no-comp tourneys who attended comp tourneys, they did well in those ones as well. Now that you are starting to have some no-comp tourneys over in vic you'll probably find the same thing I'm guessing.

So I wouldn't call the rankings irrelevant, just not perfect.

PS I am stalking all the state ATC threads so SA can build our super team to crush you all. Plan A has fallen through as apparently cloning Tom is illegal or something.

[okri_the_blue]

We have a mix of comp and no-comp tourneys in SA. There's not a significant difference in podium places between them. (Tom allways wins ). that sounds bad.. there is some variety actually, Tom doesn't win every tournament. He can't attend all of them.

But seriously, comp doesn't make much difference. If you look at the people in the top 5 of the no-comp tourneys who attended comp tourneys, they did well in those ones as well. Now that you are starting to have some no-comp tourneys over in vic you'll probably find the same thing I'm guessing.

So I wouldn't call the rankings irrelevant, just not perfect.

PS I am stalking all the state ATC threads so SA can build our super team to crush you all. Plan A has fallen through as apparently cloning Tom is illegal or something.

I would have thought you would just spend SAs GDP on enough Fiends for each player.

[neil]

I would have thought you would just spend SAs GDP on enough Fiends for each player.

Max one of each codex per team nipped that in the bud! We're on to plan C.

[difsta]

Max one of each codex per team nipped that in the bud! We're on to plan C.

this is under discussion, with a team of 8, I believe we were thinknig of doing 2 codecies per team. I will double check with the committee and make sure there is an official post somewhere saying this or not.

Down in melbourne, there are a few players that have smashed some "local" non comp'd tournaments, that have not been either on rankings hq, or alternatively they haven't got the turn out of an Arc or MIF. So there are a few players that I would consider to be really good at writing rediculous lists and can play them well, that have not been into the big soft score heavy tournament scene in melbourne.

I am not saying by any means that people winning these comp'd tournies wont win or do well in comp'd tournies, but I think that in some cases these tournaments are irrelevant. For example, and by no means am I having a go at the winner of arc, I wasn't there, I don't even know who the winner was, but they were running what sounds like a pretty busted lists with a billion fiends, in a comp'd tournament. So playing softer lists, and not getting a peer comp hit and so smashed it. So that completely throws the results out (in my opinion).

In saying that, as I have said previously, I am just one voice, if my oppinion is not the majority, then I am more than happy to say "lets go with rankings" or whatever other solution people come up with

[difsta]

what about this as an idea to throw around. We open 4 spots out of the 8 up for the highest ranking players who want to play.

Then the remaining 4 are the top 2 players from 2 knockout tournaments (don't have to be knockout, but sounds like fun) that follow the exact same format as ATC.

This would be a good compromise in my opinion.

[neil]

I am not saying by any means that people winning these comp'd tournies wont win or do well in comp'd tournies, but I think that in some cases these tournaments are irrelevant. For example, and by no means am I having a go at the winner of arc, I wasn't there, I don't even know who the winner was, but they were running what sounds like a pretty busted lists with a billion fiends, in a comp'd tournament. So playing softer lists, and not getting a peer comp hit and so smashed it. So that completely throws the results out (in my opinion).

Don't worry, the winner of Arc was from SA so won't be on the Vic team regardless!

[difsta]

Don't worry, the winner of Arc was from SA so won't be on the Vic team regardless!

quality... These SA people, coming over to VIC and taking all our trophies...

[neil]

this is under discussion, with a team of 8, I believe we were thinknig of doing 2 codecies per team. I will double check with the committee and make sure there is an official post somewhere saying this or not.

Here's the official word from Krefey:

OK, so here are the requirements for teams.

Cost will be $400 per team (so $50 per player) of 8. We are currently deciding if we will add a smaller cost on top should a team choose to have a 9th non-player as captain or not.

Each team *must* nominate a captain. The captain will be responsible for choosing the match ups for each round.

It is up to each region to decide how their team will be chosen / made up. This is not the task of the ATC organisers.

Each player must use a different codex to that of a fellow team member. So, you cannot have two players with say, a Blood Angel list.

That's all I can think of for now.

So yeah, you'll need 8 different dexes.

[difsta]

Here's the official word from Krefey:

...

So yeah, you'll need 8 different dexes.

I have just seen that post, I am just double checking with Krefey and the rest of the committee on this one, cause unless I missed a memo, it was going to be you were allowed a max of 2 of any one codex.

[neil]

I have just seen that post, I am just double checking with Krefey and the rest of the committee on this one, cause unless I missed a memo, it was going to be you were allowed a max of 2 of any one codex.

That was never the caes at any point in time. It has been max 1 of any codex since the original post in early August and that never changed.

The only reference I could find to 2 codexes per team was a suggestion from Valkyrie in the original thread but it was never acted on.

[Buddha]

We have a mix of comp and no-comp tourneys in SA. There's not a significant difference in podium places between them. (Tom allways wins ). that sounds bad.. there is some variety actually, Tom doesn't win every tournament. He can't attend all of them.

PS I am stalking all the state ATC threads so SA can build our super team to crush you all. Plan A has fallen through as apparently cloning Tom is illegal or something.

lol neil!!!


Yeah, in SA the Rankings is the easiest and probably most reflective way to look at it for reasons mentioned above, also I think we would like to reward people who regularly attend tournaments as well, and consistency. In Vic, who knows?

All I know is I nominate Mitch Wragg for your team... it will be for the benefit of all teams other than Vic

[Chaplain_Fortis]

I'd suggest giving some sort of weight to the 40k tournaments that people play in in the state, seeing as you're sending a team of people who play 40k tournaments.

Just because it's non-comp doesn't mean that the top ranked players won't be good at it. I'd even say it's far easier to play with a non-comp list than it is to play a list that has been hamstringed by comp.

The other consideration is that these players have shown that they are able to write lists suitable for the environment and do well in it.

Anyway, the people who do consistently well in victorian tournaments is probably a good place to start if you want the best players for the team. If you want whoever decides they care enough about making the team then mini-tournaments is the best idea, but won't get you the best team. If you just want whoever then just pick whoever. As Brodie mentioned in one of the other threads one of the most important things with these events is their legitimacy. If you're not inviting the top players in victoria because they do well in soft score tournaments (they also do well in non-soft score tournaments fwiw, but you haven't been involved in tournaments here long enough to know that) then you're probably missing the point.

Anyway, the legitimacy of the team and to some extent the event hinges on the team selection process, and I'd like to think that you'd set aside your biases and realise that.

Also, lol @ Qld just fighting amongst themselves for the time being.