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post May 4 2011, 11:03 PM
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Intro Bit
Hi everyone and welcome to my JoL diary featuring the classic Imperial Praetorian Guard.

I have been following 40k for over 16 years but never seem to paint any models. I love collecting them, I love putting them together and lining them up in games, but I never do any painting. In 16 years I only have one army large enough to enter into a tournament (Alpha Legion) and you can find it in my sig below.

With that in mind, I LOVED the praetorian guard miniatures when they came out way back in 1997 but being a lowly year 10 student couldn't afford them. So a year or more back when the option came up to buy about 90 of them I couldn't pass it up. This JoL diary is the perfect excuse to pull those models out of the box and get them onto the table. This means less converting, and a lot more painting. A real challenge for me.

Diary Format
Looking through all the other diaries I see a lot of great painters and modelers of which I have no hope of competing with in terms of output quality. So instead this diary will focus on my newbie approach to things going through everything step by step. If at any point you have a suggestion, I'll go try it out and put it in my step by step for me to follow next time. If it's really good I might even give you a hug. biggrin.gif

So please make suggestions. I'm all ears.

The Plan
As I will be working with very old models from a number of different sources, many models will need to be fixed, stripped, assembled or cleaned before painting. So as I can't do as many conversions as I would like I will make it up with steps to save old models.

I will be using the old models completely as is where models are available. This means that I will be using the old classic "sitting down I cant see a thing" heavy weapon platforms, but might have to invent something if I want Plasma guns.

Finally, I guess you could call it cheating, but I already have 3 models painted. The problem is, I painted these before Christmas and have completely forgotten how I painted them... Damn goldfish brain. But this is the quality I hope to maintain for the army. Keep in mind it will only be the second army I have ever painted.

The First Recruits
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For Praetoria!!!

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post May 4 2011, 11:12 PM
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Fluff- The story - First draft, not very good yet. You get the idea though. (will add names later)

The 101st Praetorian were on their way to fight an Ork WAAAGH on Montar VII when on the way they were given new orders. A chaos uprising had taken root on a planet named Zul' and the Praetorians were the only army close enough to offer support.

On first inspection, the planet of Zul' was much like the Praetorian homeworld in that it was largely an industrial hive. The most immediate difference however was its size. The planet itself has an extremely dense core which creates gravity very close to that of Terra despite being only 1/4 of the size. With a planet so small the population of Zul' built upwards more than out and turned their whole planet into a labyrinth of rockcrete and steel. In such an environment their underhive thrived and eventually the taint of chaos made its mark.

Upon arriving in orbit around Zul' it was immediately clear the planet was in the middle of an uprising. From space, the commanders could see hordes of civilians racing through the streets in every direction, seeming to attack at random. Desperate groups of PDF were overwhelmed in places while in others seemed to be guiding the civilians and helping their citizens. It was hard to tell with even the most powerful optical visual equipment. Either way no response to hails came from the planet, so a decision to drop onto the main PDF headquaters was made. Surely if there were Imperial defenders, they would be found there. The tactical map gave to location the name of Dr'Ouke, apparently a local name for the area...

A single transport was sent down to the planet, a new design known as a Rift Cutter. A new model from the factories of Praetoria, it was suitable for roughly 100 men and a few vehicles. The commanders of the orbiting ship had been looking for an excuse to test the vehicle and this seemed like the perfect opportunity.

On the way in the scouting drop took heavy fire, apparently from the PDF themselves. The lander was hit multiple times but by the grace of the Emperor (and some pilot skill) managed to crash land on the outskirts of Dr'Ourke. Though many on board were killed around 60 men (including the captain) survived. Emerging from their broken craft the men saw civilians coming to help them through the smoke.

The closest civilian, a woman was amazed to see them. She wore a look of total shock, mouth open wide and head held to the side as she ambled forward. Her clothes were ruined and she looked like she hadn't slept in a week. Truly these people had been though hell. It was only when she grabbed hold of trooper Jones and sunk her teeth into his neck that the troops discovered the real danger. The civilians were not civilians anymore, they were zombies!!!

As the troopers blazed away at the the encroaching zombie horde, the commander knew he had to get a message out to warn the orbiting forces. Hasty defenses were setup around the ship as the two most technical minded guardsmen went about blessing the vox's machine spirit and gently hitting it with a hammer. Could they repair the vox before being overwhelmed? Only time will tell.

The battle of Dr'Oukes Rift was on.....

Fluff - The description
So yeah basically I'm going with the classic Zulu theme, but instead of going with Orks in a desert. I've chosen Zombies in a city. Ain't I original!

The enemy army will be planetary defence forces fallen to chaos with a huge number of zombies (conscripts). Though making that side of the conflict will probably fall outside of this diary. They will call themselves... The Zul' and have a giant 'Z' as their logo/banner.

Oh and in the story, did anyone pick that the planet they were on their way to (Montar VII) was the planet where "Orks Drift" and the "Battle of Big Toof River" was fought? Seems these guardsmen were doomed no matter where they landed.

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post May 5 2011, 12:02 AM
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Strip for the Emperor
Following is a short description of how I went about stripping some of the first models for this army.

Click each picture to see it in full size.

Part 1: Collecting the tools
You will need:
1: Paint stripper.
2: A tooth brush.
3: Pliers or better.
4: A glass container.
5: An old box or some newspaper.
6: Detergent.
7: Time.



Tools Needed
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1a: Paint Stripper
The first thing on the list is paint stripper. Without the paint stripper the other items are pretty useless for this task.

Originally I had no idea what to do to strip these models, so I went straight to the wargamerau forums and did some research. Apparently Simple Green was the product everyone swore by and it could be picked up at Bunnings.

Easy!

So I went to Bunnings... They didn't have it. So I brought something else that sounded good. SOLVIT with an orange citrus smell. It worked so I'm happy, and now I get to tell you all about a new product like I'm an expert biggrin.gif

1b: Tooth Brush
My research told me that any old tooth brush would do the job of cleaning the models, but I figured that a new one with stiffer bristles would have to be better at scraping stubborn paint out of nooks and crannies. So I went with a new brush. I suggest you do too.

1b: Pliers or better
To hold the model safely while brushing I used pliers. Simply holding the model by the slotta base tab at the bottom. It would be best if you had something gentler for holding models, but I did not, so to prevent damage I put cardboard in between the model and plier when there was no tab to grab.

1d: Glass Container
I guess you could go for a metal one, but glass is just so much better. The SUGA candys come in a perfect sized jar for stripping purposes (in the pics). It holds 4 or 5 models easily with minimal levels of stripper. Whatever you do, DO NOT use plastic for stripping. It will melt and make a horrible mess.

1e: Box or newspaper
Cleaning the models will flick bits of melted paint everywhere, make sure you have something to catch all the off spray. Or even better, clean them outside or in the shed where it won't matter!

1f: Detergent
I'm not sure if its needed, but the scientist in me says that if a hydrophobic stripper was used to remove paint, then I probably want to make sure its gone before I try painting over it. Feel free to tell me if this is a wasted item.

1g: Time
The longer it soaks, the easier it is.

Step 2: The victims
As you can see from the picture, the models I needed to strip were painted be various people with different paints. They were prepared by removing their plastic bases (as they would melt) and having glue removed. multi part models like the missile launcher should be pulled apart to make it easier later.

Victims
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Then simply placed into the jar with the SOLVIT and left overnight (although I left mine for two days).

In the Juice
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Step 3: The cleaning
Although the cleaning product is not harmful if touched, it dries out the skin by destroying natural moisture (and it stings like a ##### if you get it on any cuts). So I used the pliers to fish out and hold the models while cleaning.

TIP:When it comes to holding the models sometimes you need to hold quite firm. To prevent damaging models with no slotta tab or parts like the missile launcher, I put a strip of cardboard on the pliers to give them a softer grip.

After SOLVIT bath
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As you can see from the pictures after 2 days the paint it basically falling off the models.

Step 4: Brushing
Using your nice new tooth brush and making sure to keep it over your box/newspaper simpley brush off the paint! Most should come off easily (as you can see from the pics above) but some hard to get to spots will be stubborn. Keep at it though because the more detail you clean up the better it looks later. Any left over paint will be weakened by this prcess and could fall out later taking your nice new paint job with it.

You should end up with results like this:

All Clean
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Also this is a picture of my cleaning box after cleaning just these models. This is why you need to protect your work area.

Hazard Zone
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Step 5: Detergent cleaning
As mentioned above I'm not sure if this step is needed but I did it anyway to be sure. Throw the models into any container with some water and detergent to soak. This should in theiry break down any residual cleaner and mean you can actually paint them later.

Done!!

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post May 5 2011, 10:11 PM
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Nice work Waggerz. armata_PDT_34.gif How many of these cats are called "Jones" btw? I hope you have at least 2, one from Builth Wells and one from Builth Wait wink.gif
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post May 6 2011, 11:32 AM
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I wouldn't worry... There's 4 more Jones' in C company wink.gif


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post May 6 2011, 12:21 PM
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Wow... im going to stop using acetone and use what you used.....

seriously mine never come out that clean, and i scrub till my hands hurt tongue.gif
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post May 6 2011, 07:38 PM
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How much is that stuff, it seems do do a better job than metho...


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post May 7 2011, 12:42 AM
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I have no idea how much I paid for it at Bunnings as I brought a bunch of paint at the same time for painting terrain. I did find the same product online though, so I guess it's something close to $9.90.

I don't think it was this much, but like I said i cant be sure.

http://crtvic.realviewtechnologies.com/def...age=page0000016

I should get a sales cut or something for this.


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post May 7 2011, 05:45 PM
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Can;t wait to see how this evolves. What sort of list are you looking at?

On another note: solvit is great on metals, but if remeber correctly it is not somehtign you want to clean palstics with, but i may be worng.



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post May 8 2011, 06:55 PM
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QUOTE(Cave @ May 7 2011, 05:45 PM) *

On another note: solvit is great on metals, but if remeber correctly it is not somehtign you want to clean palstics with, but i may be worng.


Correct! do NOT try to use SOLVIT on plastics. I threw part of a slotta base into this stuff to see what happened and it turned it into the texture of runny egg. A cool result but not something you want to do with your expensive plastic models.

In other news, I spent the better half of the afternoon trying to figure out how I got the original results on the three painted models above and I think I've nailed it down. These are the steps I will be going through to paint the Praetorians. I really can't spell some of those paint names.

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The reason I wrote them down is that because I often have limited time to paint, I will be aim to paint in batches. As long as I do each step to every model I will get through them all eventually.

Here is the model I painted today. The pic is over bright which highlights my mistakes on nicely...
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But he fits in well with the others.
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Please remember I am a painting noob so if anything jumps out at you I could improve on, let me know.

EDIT: I will probably do a step by step guide in more detail later smile.gif

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Looks good mate, keep it up. smile.gif


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post May 10 2011, 04:05 PM
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Here is the list I might be going with. This list depends on me being able to buy the two Griffons and a vendetta/valk.

HQ Company command squad
Lascannon

Troops Platoon Command
4 x Flamer

squad
auto cannon

squad
heavy Bolter

squad
commissar
power weapon
grenade launcher

Troops Veterans
Demolitions
3 x Melta Gun

Heavy 2 x Griffon Artillery

Fast Vendetta

I have not tried out this list yet, but the idea is that depending what I go up against either the flamer platoon command or the veterans go into the vendetta. The vendetta gives me both anti tank and also some speed.

There isn't much wiggle room in the list but I'm not sure if I should put demolitions on the veterans or add an advisor to the command group. Master of ordnance would be fun but I worry about actually hitting anything with only 750 points on the other side of the board.

The other worry is lack of vehicles. The griffons will be very vulnerable if I canít hide them. I could split them up into separate squads but I like the idea of hitting a unit with 2x str 6 blasts and hopefully taking out a champion or special weapon with allocation. The downside is they would die to a 3+ on the damage chart (+1 open topped and immobilised is dead).

I guess the only way to figure these things out is to get some games with them.

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QUOTE(Waggerz @ May 10 2011, 04:05 PM) *

Here is the list I might be going with. This list depends on me being able to buy the two Griffons and a vendetta/valk.

HQ Company command squad
Lascannon

Troops Platoon Command
4 x Flamer

squad
auto cannon

squad
heavy Bolter

squad
commissar
power weapon
grenade launcher

Troops Veterans
Demolitions
3 x Melta Gun

Heavy 2 x Griffon Artillery

Fast Vendetta

I have not tried out this list yet, but the idea is that depending what I go up against either the flamer platoon command or the veterans go into the vendetta. The vendetta gives me both anti tank and also some speed.

There isn't much wiggle room in the list but I'm not sure if I should put demolitions on the veterans or add an advisor to the command group. Master of ordnance would be fun but I worry about actually hitting anything with only 750 points on the other side of the board.

The other worry is lack of vehicles. The griffons will be very vulnerable if I canít hide them. I could split them up into separate squads but I like the idea of hitting a unit with 2x str 6 blasts and hopefully taking out a champion or special weapon with allocation. The downside is they would die to a 3+ on the damage chart (+1 open topped and immobilised is dead).

I guess the only way to figure these things out is to get some games with them.


If I am still at wgol when you arrive friday i will happily play test with you; another all proxy play test!


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Looking good! The only thing that really stands out is the grey highlighting on the lasgun (the edge highlights are a bit thick), though that might not be a problem when you have lots of models side by side.

I "cheat" when I'm trying to paint really thin, sharp highlights on a squad of figures. Rather than finding a tiny brush to paint really thin lines with, I paint on a layer like you have done - and then take a second pass, using the base colour (possibly mixed with a tiny bit of the highlight). Paint from the middle out, leaving a sliver of the brighter highlight remaining at the very edge of the surface.

Even though it involves a second layer, it tends to be much quicker than painting really sharp highlights in a single pass - you can use the second pass to neaten up any lines.


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Wow... im going to stop using acetone and use what you used.....

seriously mine never come out that clean, and i scrub till my hands hurt tongue.gif




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post Jul 21 2011, 11:17 AM
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Well it started out with the best of intentions but I'll have to withdraw this diary from the comp.

My wedding and honeymoon has absorbed a very large amout of time (and money) but it was sooo worth it.

Could a mod or responsible person please move this off into the regular Modeling Diary area. I still plan to get these done, just not right now.


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post Jul 21 2011, 10:32 PM
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Oh man, you don't see enough Praetorian armies out there, was looking forward to seeing these at JD!
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