Dawn of war 2 or MMO?, okay, probably Dawn of War2 Options

[threemcs]

I like your ideas. "Sure, you can be a marine. But you gotta stick out" kinda thing.
That'd work well. And you have the added advantage of a marine actually being as good as their fluff says they should. The way they talk about marines, you'd expect a lot more from them.

[grail666]

Don't forget guys that this is an adaptation of the original game which is a tabletop game, so the developers will take creative license to ensure that there is quality between players.

Even so there will be the few exceptional players that will be labeled as hackers, cheats etc...simply because they player better than someone else.

I get a lot of it on CoD4; they call me a cheat and a hacker, when all I'm doing is bringing what I learned in my Quake 2 clan (adapted for the different style of FPS) to the table and I wouldn't know the first thing about hacking.

I agree with threemcs, rakcthol2001 ideas are cool, but I doubt that they would make the Marine that powerful.

To be honest I would have thought that Marines were tougher than what they are in both 40k and DoW.

I guess it's one of those 'wait and see' thing; thankfully we only have to wait until next month's issue of PCGamer to take a squiz.

Peace out

[Cypher]

To be honest I would have thought that Marines were tougher than what they are in both 40k and DoW.

By the background, and individual Space Marine is the equal of at least ten of any other race. The Inquisitor rules give a good indication of their relative power: in that a Marine can literally jump fifteen metres through the air, or pick up and throw a car, or survive obscene amounts of punishment.

Space Marines have never really been accurately represented in a game - so if you dont mind weakening them for balance, there's no reason you cant have them

[ysambart]

I think one of the fun parts would be letting weiner kids choose space marine and then have them shut down or punished the second they go off mission.
Weiner Kid- " I'm a space marine, I can do anything"
Game - "You are deviating from mission, marine. You must be a traitor or corrupted by a psyker. Die now."
Weiner Kid "What?"
Game: "You are now dead. You will be respawned as an IG conscript. With a 'super happy fun discipline collar'. Have fun with that."

[Kn'Thrak]

I was just thinking that it would be balanced whereby a marine player would be one marine, and a guard player would control a squad of guard.

[dontshoot]

An MMO doesnt only need to be a RPG, planetside was a FPSMMO. It was a fun game and introduced me to MMO's. A 40k mmo can easly be a FPS MMO.

Ange

[Cypher]

Not exactly: the key issue with MMOs is lag, and "real time" or "twitch" combat (in the style of Counterstrike) often isnt considered viable.

There's no reason an MMO cant appear to function like a FPS (theres a couple that do, and more in development), but under the hood the game will still be based on number crunching. Think Hellgate London.

[skrape]

Not exactly: the key issue with MMOs is lag, and "real time" or "twitch" combat (in the style of Counterstrike) often isnt considered viable.

There's no reason an MMO cant appear to function like a FPS (theres a couple that do, and more in development), but under the hood the game will still be based on number crunching. Think Hellgate London.

yeh they never really work that well though, in terms of player base. it doesn't seem to be the sort of thing that attracts a large enough audience as it is trying to do to many things. there are better ACTUAL fps games out there than the "fps/rpg" ones. and there are usually better versions or RPGs as well, so they don't actually cater to either audience.

They announced a 40k mmo a while ago, that would be lead by THQ as they have the license i believe for 40k pc games, however it I think it was going to be mainly done by another company that THQ was asociated with, while both THQ and obviously GW would be watching closely over.


sadly mythic sold out to EA, (i think) but they still are looking to be doing a good job on WAR.
I just hope they market it well enough to draw the player base, because it is going to need alot of ppl playing to work properly.
the gameplay looks to kick the crap out of any other mmo out there at the moment, not to mention the amazing backstory that GW has been working on for many many years.
THQ has done a great job so far, but they should stick to their niche, making strategy games, im looking froward to a DOW2 that involves more of the COH mechanics as they are basically just the mechanics of the boardgames taken directly onto computer, and done brilliantly, just a little slow for my liking.

edit :
sorry my bad grail666 already gave links to the company making the new one. cheers.

This post has been edited by skrape: Mar 13 2008, 10:34 PM

[Cypher]

They announced a 40k mmo a while ago, that would be lead by THQ as they have the license i believe for 40k pc games, however it I think it was going to be mainly done by another company that THQ was asociated with, while both THQ and obviously GW would be watching closely over.

I've discussed this before but I'll reiterate: THQ are a publisher. They dont actually make many games. Games are made by a developer. eg Dawn of War was made by Relic, Firewarrior made by Kuju. THQ have an exclusive agreement that means all 40K related computer games are published by them. But each title is made by a different bunch of people.

[Blackhearts Reaver]

THQ's publishing record is a bit patchy... have a look at a few of their "exteme" sport releases from the mid 90's.... dodgey....( I only had them because I ran the QLD Regional trials for the first X-games- some of the dodgey Prize support from the "support" company ).

Relic has a great record as a games delevoper.

[Chaplain_Fortis]

Ha... take a look at THQ in the mid-ninties. Well known for bringing out really bad wrestling games. They are one publisher tho that has a long standing history of getting a liscence and then bleeding it dry, so expect to see lots of 40k games... like we already have since they got the liscence.

[skrape]

I've discussed this before but I'll reiterate: THQ are a publisher. They dont actually make many games. Games are made by a developer. eg Dawn of War was made by Relic, Firewarrior made by Kuju. THQ have an exclusive agreement that means all 40K related computer games are published by them. But each title is made by a different bunch of people.

ahh sorry, that makes more sense.
yeah relic kick some serious ass. the original Home World was just amazing.

[DarkHorse]

Sorry, it just must be posted.



And maybe if somebody cared to take Tabula Rasa and actually make the idea work, that could be the basis of a 40k MMO. It does make me wonder, how would someone plan to get females to play a 40k MMO.

[Chaplain_Fortis]

And maybe if somebody cared to take Tabula Rasa and actually make the idea work, that could be the basis of a 40k MMO. It does make me wonder, how would someone plan to get females to play a 40k MMO.

Ahhh the mysteries of life. Who would have thought there would be females playing WoW? Or even earlier Everquest... Don't concern yourself with that worry, it appears the gaming world has sorted it out, and it just sort of happen when the number of game players gets to critical mass.

[thereisnosaurus]

well, there's plenty of spots open in the repentia department...

I jest.


However, I've got a few sources within the games design industry, and the serious DoW modding community, so I've heard a few little things

1: Relic is planning a 'persistent online campaign' for Company of Heroes
2: There is little chance of an updated dawn of war graphics wise within a year or so, simply given the games load relic has had recently. what with WA, DC, CoH, CoH:OF and the outfit, there's not much space in there to work a full new game (not even time to build soulstorm, apparently)

Now, from a marketing perspective, THQ will want to milk the frachise for everything it's worth for maximum return and they also have a recent trend of working to bring new ideas to RTS (standalone expansions with DoW, supcom and CoH and now MMORTS expansion for CoH)

All this lends into one rumor- and it is definitely a rumor, it wasn't from an industry source- that there will be a final DoW expansion (or some kind of omnibus edition) that is founded around a persistent online campaign, in otherwords an MMORTS. Not DoW 2. Not a new 40k MMORPG of any kind. In fact, I can pretty much rule out a 40k MMO from the dawn of war franchise, as THQ have already announced a 40K MMORPG, and it's being developed by Vigil Games.


So, DoW MMORTS and a seperate 40k MMORPG. VERY PROBABLY a DoW 2, but I'd say not for another year and a half to two. More than enough online stuff for y'all. Do note that this is saurus brand informed speculation, it could certainly be wrong. A misread wording here and the two different games could be one and the same, or there might just be a DoW 2 in secret development somewhere in the carribean or something, but that's not what the trends are pointing to

[Cypher]

And maybe if somebody cared to take Tabula Rasa and actually make the idea work, that could be the basis of a 40k MMO. It does make me wonder, how would someone plan to get females to play a 40k MMO.

You do know that when you're playing WoW and a chick runs past, more often than not it's actually some fourteen year old boy? Right?

[Logan Grimnar]

there might just be a DoW 2 in secret development somewhere in the carribean or something, but that's not what the trends are pointing to

NAY JACK, DoW2 BE A REAL TREASURE FOR COMPUTER NERDZ!

[dontshoot]

NAY JACK, DoW2 BE A REAL TREASURE FOR COMPUTER NERDZ!

Very true. I personally found both DoW and CoH bland (Total War nut here) and was hoping for a MMO.

Ange

[DarkHorse]

You do know that when you're playing WoW and a chick runs past, more often than not it's actually some fourteen year old boy? Right?

More often then not, yes. And of the 3 women I have dated (ya know, in the flesh) that I met in WoW, 2 of them play female characters, 1 plays a male character. Your point being? Mind you, my New Years Resolution is to not use WoW as a dating service anymore.

[Tyra_Nid]

3 women I have dated . . . that I met in WoW . . . WoW as a dating service

Wow... just... wow... and I dont mean WoW...

I didnt think you people actually existed