1500 pt chaos, abbadons black legion Options

[Dark Assassin]

hey all , i went down to newcastle gw a while ago with a black legion army led by abbadon and his termie retinue , i played a game aginst a plasma heavy marine army , he had 5 plasma guns , 3 plasma pistols and 8 plasma cannons in his army and you would not believe how many ones he rolled in his first turn and how many of them he failed his save for !!! , i won the game 8 kill points to 5 and i would have wiped him out except for one plasma pistol sargent hiding in a bunker just passed his cover save from a lascannon round !

anyway heres the list :

HQ

abbadon = 275 pts

ELITES

5 terminators : icon of chaos glory ,combi - melta , combi-flamer , heavy flamer , power fist , chain fist =200pts

TROOPS

10 marines : icon of chaos glory , plasma gun , missile launcher, aspiring champion has power weapon= 215 pts

10 marines : icon of chaos glory , lascannon , plasma gun , aspiring champion has power weapon = 225pts

rhino : daemonic possession =55pts

10 marines : icon of slaanesh , flamer , melta gun , aspiring champion has power weapon = 215pts

rhino : daemonic possession =55pts

10 lesser daemons =130 pts

10 lesser daemons =130 pts

=1500pts

basically abbadon and his termies hang about waiting to be able to be dropped in to do some real damage , the lesser daemons are meat shields / distractions , the greater daemon is a tank / character hunter and the slaanesh marines move forward while the lascannon and missile launcher squad provide cover for the slannesh marines until they get into a forward postion for the reinforcements to come down , any comments or critisim is appreciated


EDIT : MODIFIED ARMY LIST

This post has been edited by insanejj77: Nov 19 2008, 09:34 PM

[Bane]

this is a decent list, will do well in a comp environment, but i would suggest dropping the greater demon and getting some kind of speed in the list, perhaps 2 rhinos

[Dark Assassin]

thats what i was thinking of , because if nessicery abbadon and his squad could do the greator daemons job , plus that saves me sacrificing a 45 pt champion (power weapon , marine , champion) and i could give 2 rhinos with extra armour and i could run one empty as bait and the other i could run with my slaanesh troops in it so that they can get there faster and hopefully safer

[Buddha]

I really like this list actually, it is quite cool, it really looks like what Abbadon would bring to war!

I agree get a Rhino in there, and lose the Reaper Autocannon on the Termies, swap it to a Heavy Flamer.

Which Daemon models was he using?

Tom

[Dark Assassin]

i like the theme of this list as its a balanced list that isnt toting any nasty chaos things like lashs or oblit spam or hordes of cult troops , all it has is abbadon and his nasty unit of termies and a bunch of daemons backed up by marines in rhinos , the lesser daemons are bloodletter models , one squad is a darker blood colour , and the other is a lighter brown colour , both units have black legion ties in them (black / gold weapons , scales ) so hows this now ? any better ?


HQ

abbadon = 275 pts



ELITES

5 terminators : icon of chaos glory ,combi - melta , combi-flamer , heavy flamer , power fist , chain fist =200pts

TROOPS

10 marines : icon of chaos glory , plasma gun , missile launcher, aspiring champion has power weapon= 215 pts

10 marines : icon of chaos glory , lascannon , plasma gun , aspiring champion has power weapon = 225pts

rhino : daemonic possession =55pts

10 marines : icon of slaanesh , flamer , melta gun , aspiring champion has power weapon = 215pts

rhino : daemonic possesion =55pts

10 lesser daemons =130 pts

10 lesser daemons =130 pts

=1500pts

EDIT : FIXED SPELLING

This post has been edited by insanejj77: Nov 22 2008, 08:13 AM

[Jimi]

Do you really need the PW on the firebase marines? And Daemonic possession on rhinos is not worth it unless they have weapons. So what I would do is get havoc launchers on the Rhinos after disposing of the power weapons

[Dark Assassin]

i wanted the possession on my rhinos so that they could move forward and let the marines fire out of the hatch even if it is shaken (if i am right here , if your rhino is shaken you can not have marines shoot out of the top hatch ) plus the power weapons are there because my marines are going to be on thier own for a turn or 2 before abbadon's unit and the daemons arrive , so if i am facing a fast moving combat army they may come in use

EDIT : FIXED SPELLING

This post has been edited by insanejj77: Nov 20 2008, 02:52 PM

[Azure Fade]

Just throwing out my favourite combo here... How about a chosen squad isntead of the non rhino marines, they will just be put into the "Ill deal with that later as they are only going to kill a couple of guys a turn" basket.

In the chosen just take a bare aspiring champion, tool the squad with a couple of plasmas/ML/lascan whatever.
You should find that you will only lose a marine or two in your numbers.
But you gain something that threatens the enemy from turn one, and if it isnt dealt with gives you a stable point to summon daemons/abadon/termies from.

[Dark Assassin]

wow thanks for the good idea azure , i was thinking something like that , but i dunno what to give them so that they would suit abbadons armys ''direct assualt'' feel , i will have a think about it and ill post it back soon

This post has been edited by insanejj77: Nov 21 2008, 02:36 PM

[Dark Assassin]

hey all after some thinking and half a dozen broken pencils and a ton of scrunched up paper later , i got this:

removed :

10 marines : icon of chaos glory , plasma gun , missile launcher, aspiring champion has power weapon= 215 pts

added:

7 chosen : icon of khorne , , 2 pairs of lighting claws , 2 meltas, aspiring champion =226pts

changed :

downgraded both daemonic possessions to extra armour (+10)

hows that ? , my list now would look like this :

HQ

abbadon = 275 pts

ELITES

5 terminators : icon of chaos glory ,combi - melta , combi-flamer , heavy flamer , power fist , chain fist =200pts

7 chosen : icon of khorne , , 1 pair of lighting claws , 2 meltas, aspiring champion has pair of lightning claws =226pts

rhino : extra armour =50pts

TROOPS

10 marines : icon of chaos glory , lascannon , plasma gun , aspiring champion has power weapon = 225pts

10 marines : icon of slaanesh , flamer , melta gun , aspiring champion has power weapon = 215pts

rhino : extra armour =50pts

10 lesser daemons =130 pts

10 lesser daemons =130 pts

=1501pts


now i have the option of ether runing them in the rhino and the lascannon squad holds thier ground and covers the 2 advancing rhinos or i could run both squads in the rhinos and infiltrate my chosen in , so does that look any better or has my chosen addition broken the feel of abbadons army ( plus you should note here that i dont have any lashes , princes , oblits , cult troops or a vindi in this list , so thats a major achievment for me )

so what do you guys think ?

This post has been edited by insanejj77: Nov 22 2008, 08:37 AM

[Imperial Dragon]

Nice list, should pull off very well.
Don't waste the lessers, they can help tip the balence of a combat and help you get an objective.

[Dark Assassin]

I usually use the lessers to support abbadons unit or tie up a unit until abbadons squad or some marines come in back them up .

Especially against shooty armies if i have lessers on the board, i run them ahead of my marines in the hope that they shoot them down and my marines can close in for the kill or they give my marines a handy 4+cover save and most of my men geti n and crack them open , plus 30 attacks on the charge is not anything to snuff at , especially against gaurdsmen , orks and niddys

[Koryphaus]

If you were looking for a good reserve/firebase squad, 10 marines, lascannon, plasma gun, power weapon and Icon of Khorne. That little lot nets you the firepower, plus you get 31A is charged, 41A on the charge

[Llab Sirhc]

Hi,

I gotta say I preferred the first list, so I'll comment on that, and I do think it could use some minor tweaks:

Not a fan of special characters, but you gotta use what works for you!

Termies look alright, although 2 chainfists is always better than one powerfist and one chainfist!

Your troops look great, although daemonic possession just seems bizarre as the vehicle is only armour 11. If the rhino is shaken you can always unload your marines and fire. If the rhino is stunned, well who cares its a 35pts vehicle, and you can still unload your marines and fire. I think the points would be better spent on upgrading your power weapons to powerfists. Powerfists seem to be a better all round weapon able to target both infantry, monsters and vehicles, rather than just infantry.


Hope this helps!

[Dark Assassin]

Hey all, thanks for the help , well with the termie , what weapons i gave them on this list is what they have on them as a model so i have to have a power fist and chainfist .

About the power weapons , i was considering to up grade them to power fists , but i always use them and i felt like a change .

With the rhino , i wanted to upgrade it a bit because i want that unit to be more of a annoyance / distraction , the daemonc possession was pretty handy , as if the vechile is shaken (which it can only be iwth extra armour or daemonic possession)

I can still use my 2 weapons a turn out of the top hatch , so if i had a missile launcher or a lascannon in that tank and a nice big juicy targets shows up , well ant they in for a surprise ...............

Jack.