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post Apr 29 2010, 09:36 AM
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Beasts shifting to Band B is definately interesting ...
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post Apr 29 2010, 09:42 AM
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they are back to C as of this morning


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post Apr 29 2010, 09:45 AM
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"C" for Beastmen is interesting, agreed.

The general consensus is that they are not as powerful as the middle armies so will be good to see if any players can challenge for the top places at the tourney. Orcs and Goblins seem to like being in tier "C". biggrin.gif

Cheers.

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post Apr 29 2010, 09:46 AM
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QUOTE(Tirrith @ Apr 29 2010, 09:08 AM) *

Saying you need 2 Gyros for an aggressive Dwarf force is hogwash. Saying you will take a gun-line unless allowed to take 2 Gyros is blackmail!!

C'mon Theo, the list works fine with 1 Gyro and both variants (aggressive or defensive) are feasible.

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Jeff,

Apologies if my comments came across as blackmail. That is not my intent.

I haven't actually seen a gunline + 2 Gyros..... I didn't even think of that, but the marchblocking / slowing potential of Anvil + 2 Gyros does perhaps lead to a very significant opportunity for "boring play".

Please, make the argument to me before suggesting I am trying to blackmail an exploit into the structure. Perhaps I am being pickly about this, but I honestly hope those who know me would know me well enough to know that blackmail isn't a weapon in my armory.




As for Trent, I respectfully disagree. Standards change in various communities of gamers, and over time. I remember when I started playing, only 18 months ago, that a Steamtank + alter was an auto resubmit. It remained that way until the advent of ETC rules. I would suggest that feeling as to whether such a selection "should" be allowed is varied among the community. How can we determine where the overwhelming sentiment is? Well, I would argue only by trialling some combinations of items and units, and determining that way whether they remain overpowered with new books, and new potential counters for them available.

ETC rules were developed by the community, and will be flawed as long as the community remains flawed. Same with any comp system. We, as a whole, can't just sit back and go "well, we've got it all figured out" because things will change. Case in point, 8th ed.

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post Apr 29 2010, 09:50 AM
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Brad V... holy moley I think I just browned myself ><

Seriously the big guys been in some powerful form latley, taking scalps left right and centre.

The thought of him standing across the table from me, opening his case, sends shivers down my spine.


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post Apr 29 2010, 09:51 AM
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QUOTE(Theodore @ Apr 29 2010, 09:46 AM) *

Jeff,

Apologies if my comments came across as blackmail. That is not my intent.

I haven't actually seen a gunline + 2 Gyros..... I didn't even think of that, but the marchblocking / slowing potential of Anvil + 2 Gyros does perhaps lead to a very significant opportunity for "boring play".

Please, make the argument to me before suggesting I am trying to blackmail an exploit into the structure. Perhaps I am being pickly about this, but I honestly hope those who know me would know me well enough to know that blackmail isn't a weapon in my armory.



Theo,

All is well! Internet makes it seem a lot harsher than intended. I know you weren't attempting blackmail smile.gif Just having a little jab, sorry if you or other readers took it that way.

But I'm glad you see the problems with allowing a seemingly simple and harmless change, and what consequences it can have.

Anyway, let's not derail this thread anymore, especially into a comp discussion thread....

It's great that Pupcon is on again, hats off to Chris for doing this, Sydney needs a June tourney and now we have one.

Cheers.

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post Apr 29 2010, 09:54 AM
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Have penciled this one in the diary. Pack looks excellent.

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post Apr 29 2010, 10:13 AM
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post Apr 29 2010, 10:18 AM
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I should be there, day after my birthday, Dru get your drinking shoes on :-)
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post Apr 29 2010, 10:21 AM
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Hrm.. wonder if I could wrangle another trip to Sh1tney.


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As for Trent, I respectfully disagree. Standards change in various communities of gamers, and over time. I remember when I started playing, only 18 months ago, that a Steamtank + alter was an auto resubmit. It remained that way until the advent of ETC rules. I would suggest that feeling as to whether such a selection "should" be allowed is varied among the community. How can we determine where the overwhelming sentiment is? Well, I would argue only by trialling some combinations of items and units, and determining that way whether they remain overpowered with new books, and new potential counters for them available.

ETC rules were developed by the community, and will be flawed as long as the community remains flawed. Same with any comp system. We, as a whole, can't just sit back and go "well, we've got it all figured out" because things will change. Case in point, 8th ed.



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post Apr 29 2010, 10:35 AM
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Theo,

Dwarves hold grudges, blackmail, are generally fat, short and annoying so I would expect no less of you... very fluffy tongue.gif

Seriously tho, My first game of warhammer was with you back at Stouthammer, would love to see how things have changed so I hope we bump into each other smile.gif I'm already grudging with Jeff Round 1 so fate will tell tongue.gif

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post Apr 29 2010, 10:44 AM
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Another 2 tourneys in 2 weeks. Pupcon/pheno double. Awesome.


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post Apr 29 2010, 10:47 AM
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QUOTE(stryder @ Apr 29 2010, 10:44 AM) *

Another 2 tourneys in 2 weeks. Pupcon/pheno double. Awesome.


ads you should be getting down for our 5 games next weekend! sad.gif tongue.gif


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post Apr 29 2010, 10:55 AM
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post Apr 29 2010, 10:58 AM
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Just a quick update guys. This morning I ammended the players pack, as I had made some mistakes with the ETC restrictions. I have re read the lot to check for mistakes, I think I have them sorted.

Other then mistakes I have made, there will not be any changes to the restrictions. So, no 2 gyro's.

Like I said in the players pack, I am reserving the right to ask for resubmits from beast lists if they are over the top. And if official restrictions come in a month before the event, then they will be what is played.


Again I am really looking forward to running this event, come 1 come all (up to 50) and enjoy a last hoorah with 7th ed in Sydney.
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post Apr 29 2010, 11:16 AM
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Will there be 0 skaven like levi?? tongue.gif

closed or open list? i don't think it was in hte PP?

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Yeah Yeah!

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post Apr 29 2010, 01:35 PM
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QUOTE(Crono26 @ Apr 29 2010, 10:35 AM) *

Theo,

Dwarves hold grudges, blackmail, are generally fat, short and annoying so I would expect no less of you... very fluffy tongue.gif

Seriously tho, My first game of warhammer was with you back at Stouthammer, would love to see how things have changed so I hope we bump into each other smile.gif I'm already grudging with Jeff Round 1 so fate will tell tongue.gif

James


James I'd love another game, but I've already got a grudge with Ritchie for Pup-con.

If your paths don't cross at pupcon, we could arrange a game after maybe at Moab or perhaps even after the days play if you are keen! I'm always up for Fantasy hammers!


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