Hi All,

For those who don't know me, my name is Josh Diffey, I play down at the battle bunker in northcote. I am one of the committee members for the Australasian Team Challenge.

What is it you ask, well check out the sub forum ATC

Basically it is a team 40k tournament, where each state sends a team of 8 to the tournament, and Victoria then beats everyone and we take the trophy home

What I need is for people to let me know, either by responding here or pm'ing me with either suggestions on who the team captain should (feel free to nominate yourself) and/or if you would be interested.

What I need from people at the moment is to let me know one thing, if they want to play.

This year it is being held in Canberra, we are sending a team of 8. As far as how we choose the team, that is up to us (being VIC). We could hold mini tournaments, base it on rankings hq (I wouldn't suggest this as it is non comp and nothing like most of the tournaments where you gain points for rankings hq).

At this stage I would like to put up my hand for both playing in, and if no one else wants the position, captain. I can participate in the event unless it is held in VIC, as I will be running it.

While I am a committee member, I have no decision on how we make the team or who goes in it. The committee of the ATC have decided it is up to the states to decide their own teams. So any suggestions I am putting forward are just suggestions. WE come up with our team

let the discussions begin

At this stage I think officially all that have said they want to be part of the team are:

Joshua Diffey - dark eldar, daemons, space marines, dark angels
Brenton Shaw - black templars, daemons
Jason Best
Shaun Hogan - eldar, blood angels
Aaron Graham
Christian Fulton - blood angels
Raymond Barbulescu - dark angels
Michael Boles - Chaos Space Marines (maybe, said "might be interesting")
Robert Greenwood (might be interested, will let me know after the 22nd of March)

Declines:
Matt Eaton
Chris Stalker
Cam Auty

Cheers
Josh

Can we worry about the captaincy later and get a list of potential players first?

I'd like to nominate the following players for a position.

Matt Eaton
Cam Auty
Christian Fulton
Chris Stalker

I have sms'd Christian (seeing him tonight, so will ask him in person).

As for the others, I don't know them personally, but know of them and they place high on a regular occasion. So more than happy for anyone who is interested to say they want to play.

While I know some of the wargamerau handles for some of these players, it would be good if you were nominating players besides yourself to add there handle in (if you know it) so I can pm them.

Spread the word, I know a couple of the other states are almost organised.

cheers
josh

If you want to do this properly you should grab the states top 10 players and give them the option to represent the state. Basically start from one and work your way down. The European team championships basically do that, on a national level - start at the topic and work down.

Victoria is home to some of the largest tournaments in the country, with a very large core of tournament players - all the proper tournaments contribute to rankings. Anything less than the best ranked players truly isn't representative of tournament players in the state.

I was considering this as an option, the issue is that 99% of tournaments in vic have comp, sports, paint, etc. RankingsHQ is irrelevant for selecting teams for a non compd tournament.

I then thought, well we could just look at who has the highest battle scores, but once again, they attended comp'd tournaments, and therefore it is not a clear representation of how they would go against cheese.

I was hoping to simply start by getting a list of people who want to go to canberra and play. Then once we have that, between the group we can decide. I would suggest some mini tournaments could be held to work it out, or something of the like. This is how other states are planning on doing it, but at this stage I am just trying to get the discussions flowing.

I would think a general who can make a terrible list win would do even better with a hard list.

S.A. are running off rankings, QLD are just arguing for now AFAIK.

completly disagree. Just cause it is a comp friendly list, does not make it terrible, and it is not about writing hard lists, it is about playing against hard lists.

What it comes down to, is if the majority of people want to do it by rankings, then this is a team which is meant to represent the state, and we will pick it by rankings.

Lets just work out who is interested, and then once we have that we can decide how we actually pick the team. If you want the highest ranked players, and you know them, pm, email, sms or talk to them. Tell them to get on here. Basically I personally want the best team possible.

cheers,
josh

We have a mix of comp and no-comp tourneys in SA. There's not a significant difference in podium places between them. (Tom allways wins ). that sounds bad.. there is some variety actually, Tom doesn't win every tournament. He can't attend all of them.

But seriously, comp doesn't make much difference. If you look at the people in the top 5 of the no-comp tourneys who attended comp tourneys, they did well in those ones as well. Now that you are starting to have some no-comp tourneys over in vic you'll probably find the same thing I'm guessing.

So I wouldn't call the rankings irrelevant, just not perfect.

PS I am stalking all the state ATC threads so SA can build our super team to crush you all. Plan A has fallen through as apparently cloning Tom is illegal or something.

I would have thought you would just spend SAs GDP on enough Fiends for each player.

Max one of each codex per team nipped that in the bud! We're on to plan C.

this is under discussion, with a team of 8, I believe we were thinknig of doing 2 codecies per team. I will double check with the committee and make sure there is an official post somewhere saying this or not.

Down in melbourne, there are a few players that have smashed some "local" non comp'd tournaments, that have not been either on rankings hq, or alternatively they haven't got the turn out of an Arc or MIF. So there are a few players that I would consider to be really good at writing rediculous lists and can play them well, that have not been into the big soft score heavy tournament scene in melbourne.

I am not saying by any means that people winning these comp'd tournies wont win or do well in comp'd tournies, but I think that in some cases these tournaments are irrelevant. For example, and by no means am I having a go at the winner of arc, I wasn't there, I don't even know who the winner was, but they were running what sounds like a pretty busted lists with a billion fiends, in a comp'd tournament. So playing softer lists, and not getting a peer comp hit and so smashed it. So that completely throws the results out (in my opinion).

In saying that, as I have said previously, I am just one voice, if my oppinion is not the majority, then I am more than happy to say "lets go with rankings" or whatever other solution people come up with

what about this as an idea to throw around. We open 4 spots out of the 8 up for the highest ranking players who want to play.

Then the remaining 4 are the top 2 players from 2 knockout tournaments (don't have to be knockout, but sounds like fun) that follow the exact same format as ATC.

This would be a good compromise in my opinion.

Don't worry, the winner of Arc was from SA so won't be on the Vic team regardless!

quality... These SA people, coming over to VIC and taking all our trophies...

Here's the official word from Krefey:

OK, so here are the requirements for teams.

Cost will be $400 per team (so $50 per player) of 8. We are currently deciding if we will add a smaller cost on top should a team choose to have a 9th non-player as captain or not.

Each team *must* nominate a captain. The captain will be responsible for choosing the match ups for each round.

It is up to each region to decide how their team will be chosen / made up. This is not the task of the ATC organisers.

Each player must use a different codex to that of a fellow team member. So, you cannot have two players with say, a Blood Angel list.

That's all I can think of for now.

So yeah, you'll need 8 different dexes.

I have just seen that post, I am just double checking with Krefey and the rest of the committee on this one, cause unless I missed a memo, it was going to be you were allowed a max of 2 of any one codex.

That was never the caes at any point in time. It has been max 1 of any codex since the original post in early August and that never changed.

The only reference I could find to 2 codexes per team was a suggestion from Valkyrie in the original thread but it was never acted on.

lol neil!!!


Yeah, in SA the Rankings is the easiest and probably most reflective way to look at it for reasons mentioned above, also I think we would like to reward people who regularly attend tournaments as well, and consistency. In Vic, who knows?

All I know is I nominate Mitch Wragg for your team... it will be for the benefit of all teams other than Vic

I'd suggest giving some sort of weight to the 40k tournaments that people play in in the state, seeing as you're sending a team of people who play 40k tournaments.

Just because it's non-comp doesn't mean that the top ranked players won't be good at it. I'd even say it's far easier to play with a non-comp list than it is to play a list that has been hamstringed by comp.

The other consideration is that these players have shown that they are able to write lists suitable for the environment and do well in it.

Anyway, the people who do consistently well in victorian tournaments is probably a good place to start if you want the best players for the team. If you want whoever decides they care enough about making the team then mini-tournaments is the best idea, but won't get you the best team. If you just want whoever then just pick whoever. As Brodie mentioned in one of the other threads one of the most important things with these events is their legitimacy. If you're not inviting the top players in victoria because they do well in soft score tournaments (they also do well in non-soft score tournaments fwiw, but you haven't been involved in tournaments here long enough to know that) then you're probably missing the point.

Anyway, the legitimacy of the team and to some extent the event hinges on the team selection process, and I'd like to think that you'd set aside your biases and realise that.

Also, lol @ Qld just fighting amongst themselves for the time being.

woah woah woah

While I am a committee member for the ATC, I have no weight on how the selection process is done, it also doesn't even guarantee me a position. I am simply another guy saying I want to play.

I have already said in my previous posts that these are my oppinions, and if the majority want to do it differently then thats the way it will be done, I am just offering alternative solutions.



Once again, not sure where this came from. I just put my hand up and said I would get the ball rolling on this one. I hadn't seen any movements on this on the forums from the vic people. I offered some oppinions, and I feel that some of these comments have come accross a little harsh (if they weren't meant that way then fair enough, but it is difficult to get tone on a forum).


that said, it is quite simple, I don't have every single 40k person's email, wargamerau handle, phone number or even name. If you know someone that you want to be on the team, simply either put their name down here or get them to post for themselves.


I think writing lists for a comp tournament and writing lists for a non comp tournament are so far from the same that saying one is good at one is irrelevant. I am NOT saying that people who are ranked well in victoria are not good at non comp'd tournaments, but there aren't many floating round, so that is why I have suggested running some. SWD at realm will be a good example (well maybe not as that is a 3000pt non comp) but having some non comp tournaments leading up to it would be good. If these highly ranked people deserve to play for vic, then they will probably win these tournaments. Whats the issue?

I don't think I am missing the point, I think I disagree with the point being made.

As far as legitimacy, winning a qualifying tournament against some of the highest rank people makes them worthy of being in the team, and as such it is legitimate. Picking names out of a hat, or first in best dressed would not be, but that is not what I am suggesting.


How about this for an option...

We can ask a friendly mod to add a poll with some options. People from victoria can come and vote on the poll, and that is how we will decide on the method for choosing the team. If people think my ideas are crap, then it wont get chosen, and I will say "fair enough"

Hi Josh,

Good on you for getting the ball rolling - but from a historical point of view the Vic community doesnt seem to really do the Lords/Masters/Invite thing with any sort of conviction. In fact, in general I'd there's real apathy for those kinds of events here (seemingly travel plays some factor in it, or maybe its a northern states thing).

You might want to start by putting the post up to say "who wants to come?" and then figure out (if you have enough) how the interested parties gets in.

Good luck mate.

Cheers,

Ben

Would love to play this if I wasn't such a tactical spaz.

And I think you shouldn't have too much trouble getting people to play, you might not get the top 8 players in the state but there's enough really good players in Vic that it's not really an issue.

thanx ben, you gonna put your hand up to play? I have updated the title and details of the post to clarify a few points

I was going to say much the same thing. As always, who is in top 10 or good with the 'kays will be irrelevant compared to who can actually make it and wants to play.

Good on ya for making the effort to get the ball rolling.

Hope they manage to miss Downfall with their timing. Those guys got torpedoed last year. Be a shame if they cop a clash this year. Although perhaps not the same people attending anyway.

It'd be nice if we could put that crap behind us and maybe consider the event first. I never understood why there's so much grudge holding and bs within our community... it's so counterproductive.

Brenton shaw was the best black templar player at arcanacon.

take him

I beat Brenton Shaw (and yourself at Eastcon for that matter Josh). Take me

room enough for the 2 of us Jason room enough for the two

Take:

Anthony
Squish
Steve

Much lolz will ensure.

eastcon was my first ever tournament, so lets have a re-match

in all seriousness, i would attend if you need an extra.

Pfft. Were already going to high lords. You want another one?

I could attend too. Depending on the dates.

We should stay true to the Victorian style of play - our major tournaments are currently a comp environment. We take hobby as a part of the game, and that that lead to one of the healthiest tournament scenes in the country.

No comp, no painting, no sports - I can go on the internet download a nasty no comp list, build it, airbrush it and play with it. It doesn't sound like much fun.

I won't even qualify for the team, but have played with, drunk with and been sworn at by pretty much the top players in the state over the last 5 years. The guys holding the tops spots, win consistently in any point size, with different armies in variety of conditions; he top players pretty much get full painting, full sports, and win games, no matter what armies they use.

There is also currently a plan that has been announced for a Victorian championship this year - maybe the people who qualify for that should be the first to say know.

We should first of all tell Josh who is willing to make the trip and play. Everything else comes later.


Since it will be a non comped tournament then I guess you won't be going

I'd love to go, and I'd build the biggest meanest nastiest 'nids list I could (or just randomly pick stuff from the new grey knights codex if it's going to be anything like the wolves or bangles ones), but being married with children means that I have responsilbilties, as I am being reminded right now, something about dishes and baby bottles...

...wait, no, it's sex.... no, no it's not... it's dishes after all

sorry, married humour

you have 3 kids, so there must have been some over the year... or was it just 3 times

At this stage I think officially all that have said they want to be part of the team are:

Joshua Diffey (myself)
Brenton Shaw
Tintaman
Durkah
Blade_of_Apollo (maybe, not sure your real name, so not sure if you were in the names you put forward)

so ignore how are we going to decide who plays, we haven't even got 8 people who want to play. Can those who keep saying invite the people ranked highly tell them if they know them to say hi on this discussion. I will see if I can make some phone calls on my end, but surely people know these people in the real world outside the internets...

What am I getting signed up for?

it depends, do you want to represent vic at the Australasian Team Challenge in Canberra in September. All the details are there at your fingertips to look at

I'd go, but i am a random as far is it comes to tourney's. I go to most of the ones in Melbourne and usually place top half.

Aren't we suppose to send our uber players?

In short, yes...

Cause it is an 8 player team, and it is a 2 day'er in Canberra, we will do what sa are doing. Everyone who wants to play, let me know here. If we get more than 8 , then we will work out a way of choosing our "uber" players.

This may be using rankingshq, mini tournaments, or a combination of some options.

Don't stress at this stage...

anthony your from ringwood, were all UBER players

We are? What about Mitch? Luke? That ber-nard guy.

Steve could take that retarded tech priest spam list

im taking my spawn list

I want to take good old fateweaver and some little (or not so little) red friends

That's sarcasm yeah?

why would that be sarcasm?

Because it sucks.

you are kidding right?

excluding the rumored GK codex, there is not much that can take fate weaver with units of blood crushers and DP with wings... The worst I have ever done with my version of that list (in non comp'd environment) is a draw. It is a hard list to play right, and you need to have support that can handle fast armies, but I am interested to hear why you think it sucks... Are you in melbourne, would you like to have a game?

anyways, we digress... who is interested in playing for VIC? I have pm'd Cam Auty, I have spoken with Christian Fulton (he seems keen), as for the other people that were suggested, I don't know their handles, so can someone either tell me their wargamerau handle so I can pm them, or tell them to look here and let me know there interest