Hi all,

I am sick of 40k so I have decided to turn my 40k collection into epic and do a 40k scale game of EA. I have heaps and heaps of troops from several armies and lots of titans for Eldar and imperial and chaos and plenty of super heavies but I need a few suggestions for troop carriers and infantry bases. I have about 600 SM but only 3 rhinos and 1 drop pod so cheap stand ins are required (anyone have any templates to make them out of paper?). Same for eldar and chaos. Not such a problem for orks.

The other problem is infantry bases. I though of using war of the ring bases but was wondering if anyone has any better ideas for bases as WOTR is expensive.

Any ideas welcomed

I looked into the feasibility of this a while back. It's possible, but requires that you get even more abstract than Epic is already.

Troops work fine—just use one infantry model to represent a stand of that type (eg Marine with a bolter = Tactical, Marine with a jump pack = Assault, Marin with a heavy weapon = Devastator, and so on).

Vehicles are more of a problem, for two reasons. One: you'll never have enough 40K models for a 1:1 representation. Two: the vehicle sizes mean that having a 1:1 ratio (so, a Tatical formation with six stands and three Rhinos actually has three Rhino models) just looks crap.

Your best bet, I reckon, is to either buy Epic vehicles or to abstract vehicle use.

To abstract the Tactical formation, for example, you would take just one Rhino instead of three, make it DC3 warengine (so can take three hits without being destroyed), and then apply a rule that each DC casualty suffered also destroys two carried stands. You would have to be careful how you applied the warengine rules, but it would generally work.

Ditto with things like Land Raiders. Treat the one model as four Land Raiders by giving it DC4. In the case of shooting units, like a Land Raider, though, you would then also need to apply a multplier to its shooting based on its remaining DC. For example, a Land Raider unit shoots 2xAT4+ lascannons and 1xAP4+ heavy bolter. If your Land Raider formation has just 3 of its original 4DC remaining, you would multiply these weapons by 3. In the example above, this would mean the unit shoots 6xAT4+ lascannons and 3xAP4+ heavy bolter. Doing this will keep the single model en par with a formation of four units.

Hope that helps. It won't be perfect, but it should enable a decent, lower-points game (say, 2,000pts).

Good luck, and enjoy!

If I've got this right, you're using 40k scale models for your epic games??? If so, you could try these:
Back2basix conversion bases
Just select the size you want (should be 5*1 if you're going off a standard epic infantry base)

pretty sure it would be cheaper to just buy epic armies. doubly so if you're selling off your 40k stuff in the process

Not to mention that the board size would need to be about 36 foot long and 24 foot across. And that the game would likely take most of a weekend to play. I really can't think of a single appealing thing about this idea.

Not going insane painting spirit stones on a 6mm figure?

You can paint these guys?

How's that army diary going?

Meh I kinda finished 3000 tournament worthy points for a tournament a few months back then got too drunk to wake up in the morning for the tournament. Haven't unpacked them since.

I remember this was done years ago in a White Dwarf (If I recall correctly). It looked excellent, but I don't know how practical it is, unless you have a warehouse to play in.
Rhinos are pretty cheap, lots of internet sellers seem to buy predators and razorbacks and sell the extra bits off, leaving a basic chassis for $15 or so. But, mate, you have a LOT of infantry to get transported so maybe cut up some chunks of wood into rough silhouettes. Probably look good from 20m away i.e. the other side of the massive area you will need to play this...

Thanks,

Yes, I intend to get a little abstract with this. We did something similar about twelve months ago using the Adeptus Titanicus rules and 14 armorcast titans plus a few baneblades and a shadow sword or two and it worked really well. I agree that the vehicles are the biggest problem and I've even thought of just not having them or, using some kind of marker to represent them and then just remove them (transports anyway) once the troops have jumped out. That would mean they they would only be used to transport or as targets but nothing else........still working on this idea though so might try your suggestion GR00V3R.

Spakka, thanks for the link. Very very helpful. I'll probably use these

Space and time are not a problem. We have a huge playing area on the top floor of a friends factory. It is totally clear (not even a chair up there) so turning it into a battlefield is no problem.

Finally, no... I'm not going crazy (or any more so!). We are doing this in a effort to introduce some hard core 40k fans into epic gaming. We always face the same problems when we do this. That is "I've invested to much into 40k, I dont want to spend money on another system" so we just have to make the system more attractive, hook them and then help then get a real epic army.

We demand pics. Lots of pics when it happens.

Depending on what your friends like in a games system I don't think a game of epic that takes 15 times as long will be a good way to introduce them into the game. Why not just purchase an extra space marine or ork army for cheaps and give them some intro games of proper epic?

Tried that...................didn't work. Besides, this is a project that I want to do and I don't see why it would take any longer than a usual game. Everything will be based, all the leg work would have already been done, the participants just need to turn up. We have done this with Space Marine years ago and it worked very well as did Adeptus Titanicus at 40k scale. No time problems at all just had to play with the ranges and speeds. Also, we're talking about old timers here. They've seen and done it all so doing something different is sometimes the only way to rekindle the fire.

Photos, yes, lots when (if!) this thing gets going.

Good luck converting the 40kers, it should be an awesome spectacle. Looking forward to pictures.

Hadn't realised you were talking about a game at 40K scale using the Epic rules. That would indeed look Awesome. Cumbersome...but Awesome. It would be like a game of Apocalypse that you can actually finish in a single day.

I second the call for many, many photos.