Dear ladies and gentlemen in NSW,

Since every other major states including ACT have a Masters event, is it time to hold a NSW Masters?

If we do, when should we hold this event in 2012? towards then end of the year?

Finally, what should be the NSW Masters criteria?
E.g.
- reside in NSW for last 12 months - so you "are" from NSW
- Battle/Paint/Comp?
- Number of players and number of games? 8/16/32, 3/4/5 games? 1 or 2 days?
- Invite criteria? From NSW tournaments or from ranking hq, etc?

Please feel free to comment. This is our state event, and it is only as good as what you want it to be.

Denis

In short, YES, i thinks it time we do need a Masters Event.

As for timing, i believe (depending where ATC are) should be in August, September, November, or early December as their are non, or few tournies on at the time (only Dogcon, Emperors Legion, Tumult), and often have a bit of a break between them.

As for Criteria, depending on the amount of people wanted, i would like to see a mix of rankings and events (highest attendance 40-50+), so for example (16 people):

Cancon: Highest Placing NSWman
Lords of Terra Open: Highest Placing NSWman
Lords of Terra High: Highest Placing NSWman
Event Horrizon: Highest Placing NSWman
MOAB: Highest Placing NSWman
Battle in the Vines: Highest Placing NSWman
Leviathon: Highest Placing NSWman
Emperors Legion: Highest Placing NSWman
5-7 Highest non event rankings on battle, with maybe other critiria placings (sports/paint/comp).
Random TO player....

Depends on venue, location, times, dates etc but not fused on days.

Just my 2c

I would suggest November as the timing as it fits best with using the winner to generate an Invite to the National Masters

Really? Highest Ranking NSW player in a ACT tournament?

1. Did you notice the big bold Example?
2. Last time i checked quite a few NSW go to Cancon (in comparision to Dogcon 40k).
3. Whats a ACT?

NSW masters needs to be held, two day event with five games at 1850pts.

* No comp
* IA allowed as long as you have the models and IA book.

As for numbers you want the best players from NSW

* Events with fifty or more people, two highest ranked NSW players
* Events with less than fifty people , highest ranked NSW player
* Option for people with high quality paint scores
* Wild card entry

Top 30 NSW players Via rankings

Any NSW player that scored top 5 at a torunament with more than 40 people.

As for the tournament, considering majority of tournaments are comped and most of the other masters events are too I'd say keep it comped and no IA...

I'd prefer no comp, but I think in regaurds to other masters it'd probably be betetr to have it...

I would definitely prefer it without comp.

For painting, comp and sports we already have High Lords of Terra (whilst it is obviously not a NSW only competition, it is certainly prestigous and we don't have to travel for it. ) so I'd vote for a Master's event without soft scores (perhaps with a Best Painted and Favourite Opponent as seperate awards), and I'm not fussed about whether IA is allowed.

Thank you for your great comments and suggestions. It is good that my initial idea is not far from what has been suggested.

There is one thing, I do not want to make it too similar to LoT or a mini Lords. There is LoT for that

I wouldn't mind seeing a random army set up like the SA masters use tbh.

+1

Urgh. Yuck.

Agree... Unlike some people, I know only a couple of codex's well enough to play them effectivley. But I also know those codex's inside out and have little knowledge of other codex's outside the basics.

Not much point telling someone who made it to the Masters with nothing but Guard armies that they now have to play Tyranids.

Yeah not much point doing that as.

1 - all the armies would have to be supplied and across 30 ish people i'm not sure enough people would be willing to provide armies

2 - it would slow things down soo much as almost everyone would have to keep checking back on rules for the armies they are using.

Works well for SA.

This could be quite interesting.... Might get me playing some 40K to get a spot.

Chicken!!!!


Step out of the square dudes.


The SA system is great fun, but, I don't think its feasible with more than 10 players tbh.

I was thinking of a 16-24 players, 5 games, 2 day format. SA system would be a little difficult to implement for that number.

For that many players yeah it wouldnt work so well.

Maybe I should run my own little 8 player invite tournament with random armies!

Angmar.

Whats wrong with getting everyone to supply their own armies, then randomly generate who gets what army each round. so you might end up with your opponents army, or any other army from any of the player including yourself?

would work for large numbers of players?

but how many people are cool with other players using their armies? I personally wouldnt care.

Random armies sounds good to me. More of a challenge than just playing an army you already know inside out

Whilst I lvoe the idea, I don't think it'd be great for a masters thing... Players going to masters wanna bring their best of the best...

Plus I could imagine some players making weak as hell lists, sending them in and then getting someones decent lists while poor joe bloggs gets a 10 spawn chaos list....

Plus when its a "Masters" event, people want to use the army they are best with...

The whole random army idea would be better for a "Generalissimmo" tournament, finding the best in game sgenerals with the best knowledge...

Either way I'm there, just my 2c....

Perhaps check out how SA does it before critiquing a system that you don't appear to understand?

Also, as to players going to a masters wanting to bring their best. I'm pretty sure proving to everyone that you can use any army to it's best is doing just that.

SA are doing it with 10 armies, I wouldn't do it with more then that, you soon start running into double ups.

You yourself mentioned the massive disconnect one of their lists had over the others though. So even their system is broken.

Perhaps, but yet I still like it and would prefer the challenge it offers.

geez. . . . harden up boys. . . .masters is meant to show the best player. . . so being able to win your games no matter what codex you're using would allow you to do that.

you guys just sound like you're scared "ooooo i don't wanna use another army. . . I only know how to win using my own stuff, don't make me think outside the box :-("

Either that or I'd rather beat my opponents when they're using lists they know.

Each system has their merits and limitations.

SA systems is more challenging for a player and you will need to know how to play many codex. It also limits the number of players.

It depends what we want to determine and challenge.

Using standard system is familiar for players and we can manage 16-24 players. Players use their tools that they used qualified so we are testing purely on their ability to apply their skills on the table.

SA system requires another level of challenge which randomise the tools you get to use. It is a different set of challenge.

Is NSW Masters the player that can play the best using whichever/any armies placed upon him? or is it the best player playing his own army?

You will need to know how to play the Codex you are given, not many Codexs

I think the SA style system would be better if you played a different army each round,


Anyway I need to know very soon if this is going to go ahead for this year, so I know if I need to allocate it a Masters Invite

Doubt it'd be this year... :S

Why not ?

It seems like Denis is organized enough to get something happening in time.....

Hell, if Dennis wants to organise it, if I'm available I'd be happy to TO it for him on the day. Doubt I've played enough this year to earn a place

Unfortunately looking at the time left on the calendar, venue, prize support, I don't think I can get NSW Masters this year (at least not on the annual calendar before Aust Masters).

It will likely be held next October or early November. This will gives time for people for people to build their ranking and have something to aim for next year.

You can do it Dennis! I've thrown the ACT masters together in a couple days! Just trying to track players down in the only hard part!

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That's what i feel as well.

20th - 1 week away, too hard to get people organise
27th - same as above
4th - I am running a 1 day at GG Burwood
10th - Tournament in Campbelltown
18th - Last week before Xmas
25th - Xmas
1st - Cryx Cup?

Not much space to make things happen so late in the year. When I was planning it, I saw the calendar and thought 2012 is a better option.
I want to run a great event maybe with videos, lots of photos and a nice perpetual trophy, no point making the first NSW Masters a half baked work.

Maybe Titus 40k Chainsword replica will be out by then, should be a great perpetual trophy (go TriForce make those chain swords).

Excellent, I have thought it would be good to have a NSW Masters. Maybe I might even scrape in an invite one year...

I'd be happy to be the TO guy on the day if Denis and Julian qualify, for eg.

Eldarstorm - you make a point, although sounds like Denis wants to make a big splash.

Cryx Cup is on the 8th of January so 1st is potentially free. Of course, player availability becomes an issue...

I am happy to wait for next year. Maybe leave it til after Stouthammer?

WIll need to work out how interstate success counts - eg such results certainly impact ratings, so I think Adam's idea of including best ranked player from Cancon (the biggest interstate event many NSWers actually attend) is sound.

Obviously the best performing Lords player.

I'd be keen to attend should I qualify

Vic are doing a top 20, 3 games 1 dayer. Don't worry about prize support, prize is ticket to Aussie Masters. Maybe get a trophie and that is it. Plenty of people happy to help out with panel comp if that is your plan (pm me if you want some names, or talk to Eldar_Storm). All you need is a venue with 8-10 tables for 16-20 players. Shouldn't be too hard to organise, seriously...

If you don't run a masters, what was your biggest tourney in NSW? Cause the winner of that gets your invite...

MOAB, which was won by an ACT player.

If thats an Issue, BIV, which was won by me, but i'm more than likely getting an invite due to being currently 6th anyway.

So that would revert to... EH?

Yeah but said ACT player may as well be an honourary new south welshman.