Hi Guys,

I'm heading to the last 1500 pt 5th ed tourney held in the world (let’s just say). I've been scratching at my ork army for a while and have had great success in my LGG so now I want a proper challenge. I’ve gone Evil Sunz with my buying so don’t have any dreads or meganobz but have vehicles up the whazoo.
Whilst this is a peer comped tourney I’m expecting some mega hard lists.

My 1st draft.

Warboss, Attack Squig, Bosspole, Cybork, Warbike, PK
Nob Bikers, x 3 kitted out + painboy (Cyborks) = 443 pts with warboss

Big Mek, KFF + 10 Tankbustas +Battlewagon, Deff Rolla, Grot Rigger, Big Shoota

2 Warbuggy, TLRL
2 Warbuggy, TLRL

20 boyz with shoota + Nob PK, BP +Battlewagon, Deff Rolla, Grot Rigger, Big Shoota
20 boyz with shoota + Nob PK, BP +Battlewagon, Deff Rolla, Grot Rigger, Big Shoota

It’s a classic Battlewagon list with the bikers and buggies going up a flank. Just looking at it though it looks a little fragile I don’t think it could stand a good counter charge.

What are your thoughts?

Hi mate,

My opinion is

1 - if you have 3 BW you need to have a Kustom FF
(edit - sorry disregard, just noticed you have one)

2 - against another competitive list, your nob bikers won't be worth their points, as they can be targeted with S8 weapons negating FNP and causing instakill. Don't get me wrong, they are an awesome unit, they just cost a lot of points, and for an ork list, you seem short on models.

3 - I haven't had much luck with 20boy units before. When (not if) the BW explodes, 1/3 of them will die.

4- I am not sure that tankbustas are the best elite choice.

Hence I'd consider some trukk boys, putting a bigger unit of nobs in a BW, and consider lootas (I think they are the best thing in the codex), if you have models.

By all means prove me wrong. Just my thoughts from playing orks, and I am by no means an expert.

You are correct. It will not stand up to counter charge. 30 man units can absorb damage. 20 mans are about equivalent to a 10 manPF marine unit that has 2 att base. GH+BA jump(less)+ elite marine etc> and they will be fielding 3-4 units of those. (been playing orks vs these at elite levels, as you know)

In tha list I would turn the bikers in to nobs on one of the wagons. 443 pts buys you a Warboss and 8 nobs+ a bit of equipment(2PK+Big Choppa's and banna are good>allocate is you have the pts. Warboss +7 will barely be enough. the tiny bike unit will not be big enough to do anything> a squad with a single PF will ruin its day. If it is Warboss delivery suidcide (never that good of a decision) then make them cheaper.

Find a few pts to add 2x10 grot units so you can afford to throw away a troops unit or two and still have some scoring for the easy objectives. 2 unloading wagons will put on enough pressure, the grots will have it relatively safe.

You can probably go with 2 deathrolla's as enough. You never get opportunity to use 3 that often.

Blackhearts pretty much confirmed what I was feeling, nob bikers really only start to come in at 1750. I'll look at moving a unit of boyz out of a wagon, I'm thinking of then bumping this unit upto 30 with some rokkits for a bit of mid-table threat.

I find that 1 mob of 30 isn't enough. Most armies have something (that won't be shooting at your BW(Tank shock plus multiple flamer, for example)) that will whittle them down in a turn. 2 or 3 mobs (even of varying sizes) poses a bigger challenge, and often provide cover for each other.

Is this for winter warfest?

Yes, have I given away too much?

Winter warfest has a pretty high comp % so taaking a harder list makes it harder to win overall.

agreeing with all of the above and adding to it, you want a solid list that wont get comp hit to bad, its alot harder then people would think to many bodies its boy spam to many kans its kan spam to many of anything decent from the ork dex and any opponent will comp hit you for it.
I always try to do a theme and go from that, but thats just me.

The list isnt horrible but against other hard lists you wont have to much fun, and with nothing but tank bustas and boyz in those battle wagons means when they are poped open you a sitting duck with a horrible chance of survival. some changes could be burnas instead of tank bustas overall more realiable then bustas but are comp hit for having to many so try not to have to many. Drop the attack squig on the warboss, he has plenty of attacks without it and thats two more boyz on the table. I agree with the nobz being made go on foot with the warboss and in a Battle wagon, spend the extra points on putting some boyz in trucks fast boyz are happy boyz and tho trucks are squishy they throw off your opponent with the threat of them charging from so far away, so trying to get two units of truck boyz a battle wagon with mek and burnas and one with nob and warboss the list without anything else is hard hitting and mobile.
a list ive run alot at 1500 that hasnt been comp hit to bad and has still proven solid is:
warboss, bike,pk,cb
mek,kf,pk,ea,cb (rides in battlewagon with shoota Boyz)

12xslugga boyz nob,pk,ea,bp truck, redpaint,ram
12xslugga boyz nob,pk,ea,bp truck, redpaint,ram
19xshoota boyz nob,pk,ea,bp
6xNobz,painboy,5xcb,pk,bc,bp truck, redpaint,ram
deff kopta,buzzsaw,twin-linked Rokkits
3xKilla kans, 3xRokkits
3xKilla Kans, 3xgrotzookas
battle wagon,Deff Rolla,Red paint, 3xbigshootas

In the end its all down to how you wanna play, orks are ment to be fun so just have fun with it

Yeah I'm thinking about mixing it up somewhat. I lack any dreads so their out. I have a very solid collection of vehicles so may go a more evn spread. Orks suffer somewhat at this point level if you want to go mech, the seem to come into their own at 1750.

Something more like:


Big Mek, KFF
Warboss, 6 nobs with gear, pain boy Battlewagon, Deff Rolla, Grot Rigger, Big Shoota

11 Boyz, 1 Boyz Nob, Bosspole Power Klaw 1 Trukk, Red Paint Job
11 Boyz, 1 Boyz Nob, Bosspole Power Klaw 1 Trukk, Red Paint Job
20 boyz with shoota + Nob PK, BP +Battlewagon, Deff Rolla, Grot Rigger, Big Shoota

1 Deffkoptas, Buzzsaw
3 Warbuggy

6 Lootas,
6 Lootas,

very good man again just have fun with it! hope my advise was useful