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chadmac
I will now revolutionise comp scoring forever!!!!!!!!!!!


Simple.
1. Every one starts with a comp score of 0
2. Every Time you loose a game roll a 6 sided die and add the result to your comp score.

smally
Well thats probably about as consistent a comp score I've ever seen.
defult06
QUOTE(chadmac @ Jul 20 2012, 10:49 AM) *

I will now revolutionise comp scoring forever!!!!!!!!!!!
Simple.
1. Every one starts with a comp score of 0
2. Every Time you loose a game roll a 6 sided die and add the result to your comp score.



No this is broken it does not take into account your opponents army.

I suggest

1. Everyone starts with a comp score of 0
2. At the end of the game both players roll a d6 then subtract the losers score from the winner score to determine the comp for the loser any negatives are 0 and the winner also receives a comp of 0.

Fixed
chadmac
QUOTE(defult06 @ Jul 20 2012, 11:37 AM) *

No this is broken it does not take into account your opponents army.

I suggest

1. Everyone starts with a comp score of 0
2. At the end of the game both players roll a d6 then subtract the losers score from the winner score to determine the comp for the loser any negatives are 0 and the winner also receives a comp of 0.

Fixed


this is over complicating thing. We're war gamers god dammit not Mathematicians!!!

*NOTE; except those who are,
Da Smas
Really? I was sure you used simple maths like this to work out combat res, morale, number of attacks...
defult06
QUOTE(chadmac @ Jul 20 2012, 11:10 AM) *

this is over complicating thing. We're war gamers god dammit not Mathematicians!!!

*NOTE; except those who are,



*puts had up

It could be more complicated to allow for a bad loss like (comp/total comp)*(total comp/Battlescore) Meaning that if you get a comp score of 5 and lost a game you would get the same score as the guy who beat you cause you had no chance from the start
chadmac
this is why I switched from working in Statistics
nevaenuffbass
A new type of comp:

Your list is ridiculous. If I play you and lose, I will punch you in the face.

We'll get rid of comp and sports at the same time, and everything will be simpler.
neil
COmp shouldn't change based on a win, loss or draw! This is as bad as peer comp!

We should use a Panel Comp system instead. Roll 3D6 before the tournament starts, add them together.. tongue.gif
ĈON
At the end of the tournament; each player puts 6 scraps of paper in a hat and they get there opponents for the tournament to pull out a peice of paper. That is then there comp score (halve it if the opponent beat you)
YogoZuno
QUOTE
Roll 3D6 before the tournament starts, add them together..

Even out differnces between judges by dropping the highest and lowest die from each judge wink.gif
Chaplain_Fortis
Very constructive thread, not self indulgent at all. I rate it 8.5/10.
neil
QUOTE(Chaplain_Fortis @ Jul 20 2012, 02:26 PM) *

Very constructive thread, not self indulgent at all. I rate it 8.5/10.


You can't roll an 8.5 on a D10. armata_PDT_02.gif
defult06
QUOTE(neil @ Jul 20 2012, 01:27 PM) *

You can't roll an 8.5 on a D10. armata_PDT_02.gif


I think hes rating it as peer comp with 4 judges got 2 9's and 2 8's thats how the 8.5 was made.

chadmac
QUOTE(neil @ Jul 20 2012, 01:57 PM) *

You can't roll an 8.5 on a D10. armata_PDT_02.gif


seeing as how the last thread I started was about the religious implications of eating tau I say this is a step up

EDIT quoted wrong person, can't be bothered changing it
Da Smas
QUOTE(neil @ Jul 20 2012, 01:57 PM) *

You can't roll an 8.5 on a D10. armata_PDT_02.gif

Weighted dice work wonders.
barit
I have it.

Your opposing player times how long it takes for you to hop on your right leg in an anti-clockwise direction around the table. Record the time.

Get the elevation of the sun and then wait for a bird to fly past/overhead. Measure the distance the bird then travels for the next 2 days.

Multiply the sum of the above by the last known price for diesel at the local BP...

ta da! your comp score...


IPB Image
defult06
QUOTE(barit @ Jul 20 2012, 01:58 PM) *

I have it.

Your opposing player times how long it takes for you to hop on your right leg in an anti-clockwise direction around the table. Record the time.

Get the elevation of the sun and then wait for a bird to fly past/overhead. Measure the distance the bird then travels for the next 2 days.

Multiply the sum of the above by the last known price for diesel at the local BP...

ta da! your comp score...
IPB Image


African or Europian?
Da Smas
QUOTE(barit @ Jul 20 2012, 02:28 PM) *

I have it.

Your opposing player times how long it takes for you to hop on your right leg in an anti-clockwise direction around the table. Record the time.

Get the elevation of the sun and then wait for a bird to fly past/overhead. Measure the distance the bird then travels for the next 2 days.

Multiply the sum of the above by the last known price for diesel at the local BP...

ta da! your comp score...
IPB Image



We have a winner. armata_PDT_37.gif
trigger happy
I would prefer a paddling pool used with little rubber ducks floating in it, a score is written on the bottom of the duck and you use a stick with a hook on it to catch your duckie comp score. Zero for comp for anyone that tries to snag two ducks at once.

Shadow Fox
QUOTE(trigger happy @ Jul 20 2012, 03:22 PM) *

I would prefer a paddling pool used with little rubber ducks floating in it, a score is written on the bottom of the duck and you use a stick with a hook on it to catch your duckie comp score. Zero for comp for anyone that tries to snag two ducks at once.


The one problem. 0 comp or not, some people like ducks.
ĈON
QUOTE(trigger happy @ Jul 20 2012, 03:22 PM) *

I would prefer a paddling pool used with little rubber ducks floating in it, a score is written on the bottom of the duck and you use a stick with a hook on it to catch your duckie comp score. Zero for comp for anyone that tries to snag two ducks at once.


What if you try to snag 3 ducks at once? tongue.gif

ru486baby
QUOTE(ĈON @ Jul 20 2012, 03:40 PM) *

What if you try to snag 3 ducks at once? tongue.gif

add them together and you get negative that much for comp.
Four ducks means you auto win though.
Da Smas
And for 5 matt ward will give you exclusive rules for using roboute guilman in comps.
Starfire
Those are in the Grey Knight codex. Look under the entry for Draigo.
Bane
how about this

at the end of the tournament we all roll a d100

highest score wins
Biggy
"It's a simple question of weight ratios! A five ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut."
ArchonCryx
"What if there's a tail wind?"
YogoZuno
Right, stop that, stop that. It's just getting silly.
diablo99
And you get off the stage. Your not even a proper woman
Starfire
I though she was off selling Albatross in the crowd?
Lonestar
But if she floats, that means she is a duck!
Biggy
"aah now we see the violence inherent in the system! come see the violence inherent in the system! Help, help I'm being repressed!!"
diablo99
Wink wink nudge nudge say no more
rogal_dorn
Alternatively, people could stop getting upset and calling for nerfs whenever they are beaten by a better opponent.
Da Smas
That never has and never will happen. Ever.
Speedhump
"It is at times like this, when I am trapped in the last page of a very silly thread, that I wish I had listened to what my mother had told me when I started wargamming all those years ago..."

Bryony
Well, go on, what did your mother say?
Speedhump
"Oh, I don't know..."


"I didn't listen."
casperionx
Actually chad's idea has a lot of serious merit.

Im not a big fan of comp.

I just dont know how to work it.

I would actually look at comp this way:

Every player starts off on 2 x number of rounds in the tourny (so a 5 round tourny would be 10 points).

Each game would have Major Victory, Minor Victory, Draw, Minor Loss, Major Loss.

Major Victory = -2 points
Minor Victory = -1 point
Draw 0
Minor Loss = +1 point
Major Loss = +2 points

For each of these results add the above values to your base comp score.

EmpireGuard
QUOTE(Biggy @ Jul 20 2012, 06:34 PM) *

"It's a simple question of weight ratios! A five ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut."



What if the bird had the volume the size of a battle ship and was full of hydrogen?

QUOTE(casperionx @ Jul 23 2012, 07:39 AM) *

Actually chad's idea has a lot of serious merit.

Im not a big fan of comp.

I just dont know how to work it.

I would actually look at comp this way:

Every player starts off on 2 x number of rounds in the tourny (so a 5 round tourny would be 10 points).

Each game would have Major Victory, Minor Victory, Draw, Minor Loss, Major Loss.

Major Victory = -2 points
Minor Victory = -1 point
Draw 0
Minor Loss = +1 point
Major Loss = +2 points

For each of these results add the above values to your base comp score.



Why not just declare all games a draw.

I have the best comp system,

Kill a Character, Take a shot
Hold an objective, Take a shot
Wipe out a unit, Take a shot
Kill the enermy HQ, Take two shots
Roll Double 1's, Take a shot
Miss with more that 5 shots, Take a shot
Stop a psychic power, Take a shot
Jester of Death
QUOTE
Kill a Character, Take a shot
Hold an objective, Take a shot
Wipe out a unit, Take a shot
Kill the enermy HQ, Take two shots
Roll Double 1's, Take a shot
Miss with more that 5 shots, Take a shot
Stop a psychic power, Take a shot


i think id be comatose by the end of first turn... i miss alot and roll lots of 1's...


JoD
diablo99
QUOTE(Jester of Death @ Jul 23 2012, 12:30 PM) *

i think id be comatose by the end of first turn... i miss alot and roll lots of 1's...
JoD

On the plus side you would have a great comp score
mind you with the amount 1s i roll i would be dead by the end of my shooting phase turn 1
diablo99
Double post

I told them we already got one
EmpireGuard
Sorry I should have been more specific it's only double ones for LD tests
and the miss with more tan 5 shots is meant to be if you take 5 or more shots and they all miss.
Da Smas
QUOTE(EmpireGuard @ Jul 23 2012, 01:31 PM) *

Sorry I should have been more specific it's only double ones for LD tests
and the miss with more tan 5 shots is meant to be if you take 5 or more shots and they all miss.

Im assuming you are referring to bolter fire?
trigger happy
This is why comp is crap, i prefer having shots whenever i want.
Da Smas
7th ed will include a 'shot' (not shooting) phase.
chromedog
Hell, 2nd through 5th eds all had this phase.

It's just that most tournaments and clubs tend to be dry places and it got forgotten because of it never being practised there.

It was always a part of Moab, and is still a necessary part of Castle Assault.
ScoJu
Sorry - maybe I missed something somewhere, but...

Why do we NEED comp now?

What will it do?
Honestly?

What is the purpose?
To encourage people to bring different lists, or to encourage people to bring soft lists?

If its different lists, just limit the number of armies from a certain codex. Done, now, if more people want to rock up at your tournie, their GK have to stay in their cupboard.

If its to encourage softer lists, doesnt that send the wrong message in a competitive environment?
Yes, it is annoying when people WAAC, but you might find it isnt always the army build, sometimes its because of the mission structure...

No one really has any evidence of what a 6th ed Tournament looks like yet, so why comp it now.
Give it at least 6 months, and then revise the approach
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