6d6
Jul 28 2012, 04:37 PM
2400 31pts left...
Lords
Orc Warboss w/opal amulet - 130
Lvl 4 Orc Shaman w/talisman of pres – 245
Heros - 324
Night Goblin Big Boss (BSB) w/charmed shield - 60
Lvl 2 Night Goblin Shaman w/dispel scroll – 110
Lvl 1 Night Goblin Shaman – 50
Goblin Big Boss on Giant Spider w/short bow – 52
Goblin Big Boss on Giant Spider w/short bow – 52
Core - 775
5 Spider Riders w/bows & muso – 80
5 Spider Riders w/bows & muso – 80
40 Night Goblin Spearmen w/full command, nets & 3 fanatics – 270
30 Night Goblin Archers w/3 fanatics – 165
20 Orc Big’uns w/additional hand weapon - 180
Special - 310
Goblin Wolf Chariot – 50
Orc Boar Chariot – 85
5 Trolls - 175
Rare - 600
Doom Diver – 80
Doom Diver – 80
Mangler Squig – 65
Mangler Squig – 65
Rock Lobber – 85
Pump Wagon w/spikes, rigga – 70
Pump Wagon w/spikes, rigga – 70
Pump Wagon w/spikes, rigga, spores - 85
Thoughts?
Burnt
Aug 15 2012, 10:42 PM
I like the sword of anti-heroes as a bit of a unlikely choice. very deadly if the unit has 2+ char in a unit.
Samanos
Aug 17 2012, 01:15 AM
-remove bows on spider heroes and put GW
-remove +4 ward from wizard and give him an earthing rod or scroll or MR 3
- more trolls
you need something to stop the opponent when he reaches you
20 orcs and one lord wont cut it think something else
6d6
Aug 23 2012, 06:21 PM
Changed it to this...
2400
Lords - 415
Orc Warboss w/Sword of Anti Heroes, Enchanted Shield, Potion of Speed, Opal amulet - 170
Lvl 4 Orc Shaman w/talisman of pres – 245
Heroes - 300
Night Goblin Big Boss (BSB) w/charmed shield - 60
Lvl 1 Night Goblin Shaman – 50
Lvl 1 Night Goblin Shaman – 50
Goblin Big Boss on Giant Spider w/short bow, shield, Warrior Bane – 60
Goblin Big Boss on Giant Spider w/short bow, shield, Ruby Ring of Ruin – 80
Core - 775
5 Spider Riders w/bows & muso – 80
5 Spider Riders w/bows & muso – 80
40 Night Goblin Spearmen w/full command, nets & 3 fanatics – 270
30 Night Goblin Archers w/3 fanatics – 165
20 Orc Big’uns w/additional hand weapon, Standard of Discipline - 195
Special - 310
Goblin Wolf Chariot – 50
Orc Boar Chariot – 85
4 Trolls - 140
1 Troll - 35
Rare - 600
Doom Diver – 80
Doom Diver – 80
Mangler Squig – 65
Mangler Squig – 65
Rock Lobber – 85
Pump Wagon w/spikes, rigga – 70
Pump Wagon w/spikes, rigga – 70
Pump Wagon w/spikes, rigga, spores - 85
Demetrius
Aug 23 2012, 06:25 PM
Your not going to be making friends with that Rare Choice allotment
But, when/ if the opponent does make your lines, your in trouble because nothing bar the 40 goblins can really recieve a charge, and they will break fairly quickly.
6d6
Aug 24 2012, 10:28 AM
You are right.
Changed to this...
Lords - 475
Orc Warboss w/Sword of Anti Heroes (+1a & s per hero), Armour of Destiny (5+/4+) - 195
Lvl 4 Orc Shaman w/Talisman of pres (-/4+), Crown of Command – 280
Heroes - 329
Goblin Bigboss (BSB) on Gigantic spider w/Spear, Charmed Shield (2+ ignore), Light Armour, Dragonbane Gem (3+/2+ ward vs fire), Featherfoe Torc (Flyers rr hits) - 144pts
Goblin Big Boss on Giant Spider w/short bow, shield, Tormentor Sword (stupid) Ruby Ring of Ruin (fireball pl3) – 85
Lvl 1 Night Goblin Shaman – 50
Lvl 1 Night Goblin Shaman – 50
Core - 635
20 Orc Big’uns w/additional hand weapon, Standard of Discipline - 205
20 Night Goblin Archers w/3 fanatics – 135
20 Night Goblin Archers w/3 fanatics – 135
5 Spider Riders w/bows & muso – 80
5 Spider Riders w/bows & muso – 80
Special - 360
Goblin Wolf Chariot – 50
Goblin Wolf Chariot – 50
Orc Boar Chariot – 85
5 Trolls – 175
Rare - 600
Doom Diver – 80
Doom Diver – 80
Mangler Squig – 65
Mangler Squig – 65
Rock Lobber – 85
Pump Wagon w/spikes, rigga – 70
Pump Wagon w/spikes, rigga – 70
Pump Wagon w/spikes, rigga, spores - 85
Brendan Black
Aug 24 2012, 06:04 PM
I am afraid 20 Orc Big Uns will struggle to hold the line. I have used 50 of them and had them cut down to the last orc on many occasions.
Maximus3
Aug 24 2012, 08:13 PM
As others have said, i dont think you have enough bigun's, id try and get them to 30 strong.
Also you might have animosity problems with the lv4, id consider making your general or BSB a black orc to quell animosity.
id also consider combining the goblins into one unit and adding nets. this would give you a unit capable of holding up something nasty while you set up counter charges.
I find the dispel scroll to be nearly an auto include due to the amount of nasty "game winning" spells out there. mabye try and squeeze one in on a gobbo shaman.
last point, unless you have a theme going, wolf riders > spider riders. 3 points cheaper and +2 movement is just too good
rat of vengence
Aug 26 2012, 06:44 PM
I will also say you need an anvil. at least 30 NG with nets, preferably 40.
To afford that;
Dump the spores on the wagon, not worth the points.
Drop 2 or 3 fanatics; if I was playing this I would throw a fast unit to make them pop in your lines. Keep people guessing which unit they are in.
1 lvl 2 gobbo is more efficient if you still need the points.
Lose some of the situational bling like featherfoe torc
Just suggestions

Go with what you think will be fun.
RoV
6d6
Aug 26 2012, 07:22 PM
Yep. You are completely right. After playtesting the other lists for a bit on universal battle and getting smashed and/or randomly killing my troops, the list has now changed to....
Lords – 488
Orc Warboss w/Sword of Anti Heroes (+1a & s per hero), Armour of Destiny & Shield (4+/4+), Luckstone (rr AS once) The Other Tricksters Shard (rr wrds)- 218
Lvl 4 Orc Shaman w/Talisman of pres (-/4+), dispel scroll – 270
Heroes - 241
Lvl 2 Night Goblin Shaman w/Scroll of Shielding – 100
Goblin Big Boss on Giant Spider w/short bow, Warrior Bane (-1A) , Dragon Bane (2+ vs fire), Enchanted Shield (4+), Ruby Ring of Ruin (fireball pl3) – 91
Night Goblin BSB w/Charmed Shield (2+ ignore)- 60
Core - 765
20 Orc Big’uns w/additional hand weapon, Standard of Discipline - 205
40 Night Goblin Spearmen w/champ - 130
20 Night Goblin Archers w/3 fanatics – 135
20 Night Goblin Archers w/3 fanatics – 135
5 Spider Riders w/bows & muso – 80
5 Spider Riders w/bows & muso – 80
Special – 295
Orc Boar Chariot – 85
5 Trolls – 175
1 Troll - 35
Rare - 600
Doom Diver – 80
Doom Diver – 80
Mangler Squig – 65
Mangler Squig – 65
Rock lobber - 85
Rock Lobber w/bully – 95
Pump Wagon w/rigga, flappas – 60
Pump Wagon w/spikes, rigga – 70
Emperor Fooble
Aug 26 2012, 07:33 PM
Strong list chasing the optimal choices.
However - you NEED musicians in those units. The +1 to rally is a must in a lowish Ld army like O&G. Also with units like NG, breaking a stalemate/not losing because of a muso happens quite alot, static res + swarms of attacks leads to a lot of drawn combats by the time a unit has weathered the storm of shooting, magic and impact hits.
Also you have a low banner count for blood and glory, add some standards into the untis. Which you want anyway for the static res.
You may as well drop the 20 Orc Biguns to boost the 40strong NG, get them netters and lots more numbers and throw in 1-2 big bosses with great weapons. Steal 2 fanatics from the 20 strong NG block and use the little unit as a bunker.
Or boost the trolls....
pygall72
Aug 26 2012, 07:54 PM
QUOTE(6d6 @ Aug 26 2012, 07:22 PM)

Yep. You are completely right. After playtesting the other lists for a bit on universal battle and getting smashed and/or randomly killing my troops, the list has now changed to....
Lords – 488
Orc Warboss w/Sword of Anti Heroes (+1a & s per hero), Armour of Destiny & Shield (4+/4+), Luckstone (rr AS once) The Other Tricksters Shard (rr wrds)- 218
Lvl 4 Orc Shaman w/Talisman of pres (-/4+), dispel scroll – 270
Heroes - 241
Lvl 2 Night Goblin Shaman w/Scroll of Shielding – 100
Goblin Big Boss on Giant Spider w/short bow, Warrior Bane (-1A) , Dragon Bane (2+ vs fire), Enchanted Shield (4+), Ruby Ring of Ruin (fireball pl3) – 91
Night Goblin BSB w/Charmed Shield (2+ ignore)- 60
Core - 765
20 Orc Big’uns w/additional hand weapon, Standard of Discipline - 205
40 Night Goblin Spearmen w/champ - 130
20 Night Goblin Archers w/3 fanatics – 135
20 Night Goblin Archers w/3 fanatics – 135
5 Spider Riders w/bows & muso – 80
5 Spider Riders w/bows & muso – 80
Special – 295
Orc Boar Chariot – 85
5 Trolls – 175
1 Troll - 35
Rare - 600
Doom Diver – 80
Doom Diver – 80
Mangler Squig – 65
Mangler Squig – 65
Rock lobber - 85
Rock Lobber w/bully – 95
Pump Wagon w/rigga, flappas – 60
Pump Wagon w/spikes, rigga – 70
way too many points in spider hero imo. I think ur trying too much with him. he is tooled out for all the phases. What do you plan him to go against? if spiders are a delivery system they are too small and u will be taking panic on 7's after only two wounds
pygall72
Aug 26 2012, 08:10 PM
QUOTE(rat of vengence @ Aug 26 2012, 06:44 PM)

I will also say you need an anvil. at least 30 NG with nets, preferably 40.
To afford that;
Dump the spores on the wagon, not worth the points
Drop 2 or 3 fanatics; if I was playing this I would throw a fast unit to make them pop in your lines. Keep people guessing which unit they are in.
1 lvl 2 gobbo is more efficient if you still need the points.
Lose some of the situational bling like featherfoe torc
Just suggestions

Go with what you think will be fun.
RoV
i think that spores have there worth still. str 5 is only bettered by str 5 no armour save. great for charging cav, knocking wounds off tank (lucky I admit) etc. Yes it is unreleiable but what isnt in this army
6d6
Aug 26 2012, 08:32 PM
Yeah i might drop a rock lobber. Maybe switch for nets or bring back the spore wagon. Spore wagon is so good against kentucky fried knights.
6d6
Aug 26 2012, 08:35 PM
QUOTE(pygall72 @ Aug 26 2012, 07:54 PM)

way too many points in spider hero imo. I think ur trying too much with him. he is tooled out for all the phases. What do you plan him to go against? if spiders are a delivery system they are too small and u will be taking panic on 7's after only two wounds
Anti regen, anti ethereal or anti flaming. Whatever is on the field. Doesnt really need to go with the spiders. Can just run solo and be a nuisance. Spiders just because they are the models ive got. Their only real role is to flee from charges , hold up movement and try not to die too quickly.
pygall72
Aug 26 2012, 08:55 PM
QUOTE(6d6 @ Aug 26 2012, 08:35 PM)

Anti regen, anti ethereal or anti flaming. Whatever is on the field. Doesnt really need to go with the spiders. Can just run solo and be a nuisance. Spiders just because they are the models ive got. Their only real role is to flee from charges , hold up movement and try not to die too quickly.
no worries mate. see ya in a couple of weeks. If we play one another I will see if I can put a cannon ball thru ur boss' head without blowing up.
6d6
Aug 28 2012, 02:24 PM
and changed again...
Lords – 598
Orc Warboss w/Sword of Anti Heroes (+1a & s per hero), Armour of Destiny & Shield (4+/4+), The Other Tricksters Shard (rr wrds)- 213
Lvl 4 Orc Shaman w/Talisman of preservation (-/4+), Scroll of Shielding – 260
Night Goblin Warboss w/Light Armour & Additional hand weapon - 61
Night Goblin Warboss w/Light Armour & Great Weapon – 64
Heroes - 516
Goblin Big Boss on Gigantic spider w/Warrior Bane (-1A per wnd), Charmed Shield (2+ ignore), Light Armour, Dragonbane Gem, (3+/2+ vs fire) Featherfoe Torc (flyers rr hits) - 127pts
Black Orc Big Boss w/Heavy Armour - 90
Lvl 2 Night Goblin Shaman w/Dispel Scroll – 110
Night Goblin BSB w/Great Weapon, Armour of Fortune, Opal Amulet (5+/4+ once -> 5+) – 109
Goblin Big Boss on Giant Spider w/short bow, Light armour, Shield (4+/-), Ruby Ring of Ruin (fireball pl3) – 80
Core - 600
20 Orc Big’uns w/additional hand weapon, Standard of Discipline - 205
40 Night Goblin Spearmen w/Standard, nets & 3 fanatics- 250
20 Night Goblin Archers w/muso & 3 fanatics – 145
Special – 260
Orc Boar Chariot – 85
5 Trolls – 175
Rare - 420
Doom Diver – 80
Doom Diver – 80
Mangler Squig – 65
Mangler Squig – 65
Rock lobber - 85
1 River Troll - 45
Maximus3
Aug 28 2012, 11:49 PM
wayyy too many points in characters. you have no units that can really fight anything head on
mightymouse
Aug 29 2012, 06:34 PM
Byron what happened to the 60+ unit of gobbos with a front rank of GW wielding heroes we discussed?
6d6
Aug 30 2012, 12:01 AM
It turned into a 40 strong unit with a gw lord, ahw lord, bsb & a black orc.
I only have one goblin model with a great weapon...
Samanos
Aug 30 2012, 07:17 PM
just cut the arms of a goblin and give it GW ( orc choppa or something )
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