Hey guys, heres my list for Liber,

Its a vanilla SM army, called the 'White Hands', there an Iron Hands succesor chapter.

Traits:
CCW/BP Tac units
2 Assault Weapons
Disadvantages:
No Drop Pods
Limit on Terminators and Dreads

HQ:
Master, Terminator Armour, Thunder Hammer, Storm Shield

Elites:
5 Assault Terminators, 2 with Thunder Hammers, 3 with Lightning Claws

Techmarine, Full Servo Harness

8 Veteran Marines, Lascannon, Plasma Gun, Skill: Tank Hunters

Troops:
10 Marines (BP/CCW), 2 Meltaguns, Sergeant with Power Fist, Teleport Homer
in Rhino, Extra Armour, Smoke Launchers

10 Marines (Bolters), 2 Plasmaguns, Sergeant with Power Fist, Plasma Pistol, Teleport Homer
in Rhino, Extra Armour, Smoke Launchers

10 Marines, (Bolters), Heavy Bolter, Plasma Gun

10 Marines, (Bolters), Heavy Bolter, Plasma Gun

Fast Attack:
2 Landspeeder Tornado's, AC/HB

1 Landspeeder Tornado, MM/HF

Heavy Support:
Predator, Heavy Bolters, Twin Lascannon, Exta Armour, Dozer Blades, Smoke Launchers

Predator, Heavy Bolters, Twin Lascannon, Exta Armour, Dozer Blades, Smoke Launchers

62 Models

I think thats all right, most of it off the top of my head.


Cheers,

Tom

That looks nice Tom.

Is there any way you can crowbar in some technical servitors for the Techmarine?

Cheers
Hagen

Not bad Tom, is there a logic behind the cookie cutter marine squads?

Initial thoughts:
I like the fact that it's led by a captain/master.
and he's not tooled
something of everything
lots of marines


easy to use...yep, pretty clear roles for all units
covers all the bases...yep
tooled in any one area...nope


using Stu's gut feeling type thing a 3 depending on criteria I reckon this is a good example of what he calls a standard marine list. good fluff/logic/theme behind it could make it a solid 4

my 2c, but hey you asked

Thanks so far guys.

Yeah, Hagen theres alot of expensive toys in the list allready, i could try to swap the MM/HF speeder for some servitors, but the Techmarine usually operates with the Veteran marine squad, so I prefer to have him as an independant character.

Jonas, yeah, you could say cookie cutter, but its only 2 units, there just standard fire support units. What weapons load outs would you swap in for what I have? I guess for nearly the same cost I could swap a HB/Plasma for a Missile/Flamer?

Still, are you going to use stu's style comp to rate it? or are you going to use the system Kane provides and criteria that he sets?

I dont think Kanes system will be the same as Stu's, so Im going to pay close attention to the criteria that Kane sets and mark accordingly.

Cheers,

Tom

Tim,

Nice to see a list that represents the codex and is not totally geared to power gaming.

Well done.

Cheers

Rick

For Mine I always read the TO's comp criteria scrupulously, I was just using Stu's system as a benchmark - right for Terracon, but not for Liber.

I don't reckon a flamer/missile, they seem an odd combo to me. maybe plas/missile for ranged or a melta/flamer for up close work/anti horde/rapid fire death, but I guess you want them to be all rounders, they are TACTICAL squads after all...hmmm...jury's out

And Rack, for what it's worth Buddha is a Tom

Sorry Tom I'll put my glasses on when I type next time. Touch typing is not so good anymore.

Stupid old bastard!

Cheers

Rick

pretty decent all round list Tom, Agree with Jonas....I was searching for the landraider, but it wasn't there !

....surprisingly, the Liber system and the Gut feeling system are pretty close, having read ghetti's rant on the spirit of liber

Ok,

ty very much guys,

especially Rack

I think ill make on of the HB's a ML,

not much else to change.

Cheers,

Tom

** edit - keep it clean please.. - Rargh **

Dude...

AJ - wha???

Buddha - I like it looks pretty good.

2 duplications does not make a list "Cookie Cutter"!

Really love HB/Plasmagun combo, a personal fave!

Personally feel the the flamer/missile combo is ok if you're still considering it, not least because it was the "Standard" box options in 3rd ed and so seems a fluffy combo for that reason. Ppl will say it lacks focus but I think it is versatile and a bit of versatility with marines is often a good thing, particularly if it's just one or two squads. They can help out in a melee or they can help out in a firefight (Vs Hordes OR Armour)

I'd be mightily tempted to run one of those rhinos as 9 man and allow the Techhy to hitch a ride.

Very nice marines, great to see some rhinos and tanks, at least 8/10 usually higher. I like that you took actual disadvantages, a drop pod might have been handy, as may extra termies or a Dread. But probably stick to 8 at Liber (Unless all the lists we're seeing are actually serious and that pattern continued, then you might get a lift to 9)..

...buddha....just checking......is this a joke list ?

bwaaaa haaaa !

No Stu, this is not a joke

Thanks for the comments guys, cheers Alex.

Yeah, tried to do something with some different units, and a balance of all the force org slots.

Looking forward to finish painting it now

Tom

why havent you used the iron hands traits if they are an iron hands successor chapter?

the list itself is good, id defiantly give the master the no instant kill thing (no codex with me ) otherwise he will die to easily, believe me i had my lord for iron warriors exactly the same for a while

Dave, the fluff behind it is that they are like the Crimson Fists in that they diverge from there founding chapter due to disagreements in the operation of the chapter.

The White Hands believed that the Iron Hands hierachy was too heavily influenced by the Adeptus Mechanicus and that by sacrificing parts of themselves and adopting mechanical replacements to many parts of there body like the Iron Hands do, is dis-honoring the Emperor's spirit, because the Emperor exists in all his Sons. Because of this, they operate differently tactically and in there force structure to that of the Iron Hands, they use machines in conjuntction with there divine body's, rather than incorporating them.

I have some pretty good fluff written up for it

Cheers,

Tom

It better be in italics or it's a 1 from me

Cheers
Hagen

Dude that's been standard box kit out since RTB01s in 1988 ish...damn n00bs comin in here messing up stuff they don't know...in my day....

and true two replications does not a jolly biscuit mold make

AH well, I spose the consolationn is I don't trip over my long long grey beard whenever I lean over the table!

Newbies rule! But only "3rd Edition Newbies" none of this new fangled stuff!

excellent....the return of trooper graham.

(sorry, this is my pick on Tom week)

don't sweat the identical squads.....only two.....and really what else is logical to give to them.

Hmmm, prehaps the Russ should get upgraded to a demolisher...

Hey Tom,

Running a Master w/ Thunder Hammer, he needs the adamantine mantle, it strikes fear into dreads, wraithlords and Bloodthirsters!

You also have plenty of anti-infantry shooting, maybe swap a H/Bolter for a M/Launcher in one of the tac squads, to allow more flexibilty with anti-vehicle shooting

Other than that its a nice list

Sam

Cheers guys,

Ohh, I forgot to mention as well,

The trait that limits Dreads and Terminator Squads, is 'Aspire to Glory', another drawback is it also means no Artifacts are used either, the chapter is new, that means Adamantite Mantle is not available.

Should of mentioned that.

No Stu, Trooper Graham is absent sunshine

Yeah, swap to Missile/Plas might be a go, more I think about it the better it sounds.

Cheers all,

Tom

i always ran a unit of 10 with ML/ F and power fist that strted with some ML shots then charged out at the last to beat up some fools!

NP

summed up very well pete

see its not too bad agreeing with me is it...........is it?

Why Tom... where have all the bikes gone?

Shippy ya big clown

The bikes have moved on mate, they still have alot of vehicles and are generally a fast moving army, but the bikes are no longer.

Just couldnt make it work very well, I didnt have the bikes to go 'all-bike' and then the 'bike-vehicle' hybrid army is nearly just as fragile and made games a chore. I recall games like SACon trying to play against your 2 Demolishers, or when Gilesey's 2 pie plates took out 8/15 bikes from inderect/direct fire in turn 1 before I even moved @@

Cheers,

Tom

bikes....take Pete Dunn's advice Tom, build a bridge LOL

Stu,

I did build a bridge mate, but now my Marines walk or drive there Rhino's over it... the toll Charge for bikes was getting rediculous

Tom

so you don't want to buy some bikes ?



....and was that shippy I spied actually online ?



...I'll alert the media...he lives......

i miss trooper graham