Heya, just got the rules and keen to test it out on some captain. I will be constructing a Spanish fleet.

Anyone in Sydney interested in eventually meeting up after i do my models)?

Well it sure does look like a hell of a lot of fun! I have been mulling it over but I don't think I can get into it just yet. I'd probably be interested in scratchbuilding my models... what pieces are you going to be using?

i will get both fleets for the battle of the nile I think

Well Im thinking of getting spanish hulls 2 x 112g + 1 x 112g santa ana class 4 x 74g + 6 frigates

http://www.rodlangton.com/

we will be having a big game at the napoleonic congress, possibly St Vincent, the Nile or even Trafalger, looking forward to my order of langton ships arriving.



cheers

matt

How many ships/side do you need ?
Wondering what scale is best , obviously bigger ships look better

I watched a game and have read the rules...

The scale that I belive is best suited for Trafalgar would be 1:1200 as they are large enough to view the details while small enough to game with.

The rules are rather complex meaning you would be looking at approx 1000points to 1500 points. I wouldnt try any more points unless you have a very good grip on the rules and a whole day spare. Of course you could spend the extra points of named chars and ships.

The game has Ships ranging from 1st rate Ship of the line right down to fire ships. There are also rules for Forts.

As to the number of ships, it really comes down to the nation you wish to play.

The British and Spanish being the super powers, therefore having access to unlimited 1st rate ship of the line.

The French and Russians having access to limited 1st rate ship of the line.

The Portuguese and the Dutch having access to limited 2nd rate ship of the line.

The Sweds having access to unlimited 3rd rate ship of the line.

Finally the USA and privateers having access to unlimited 5th rate Frigates. Interestingly the USA Frigates are actually classed as heavier ships. My Guess is that the next book will focus on USA v Brits.

Ive decided to go USA supported by Privateers as I like Frigates.

Ange

To add to my previous post, here is a link to a few reference sheets. It has the French and USA fleet lists with points costs.

http://www.warhammer-historical.com/downloads.asp

Ange

Most interesting. I'll be looking forward to some in-game shots soon then!

bought about $100 worth of langton ships today (8 ships), so now to painting and rigging, the little blighters!



cheers

Matt

I've got the rules, though yet to play a game or purchase a miniature. I have to say that I find the concept of rigging a 1:1200 ship a little daunting.

1,500 points = approximately 8 ships, particularly if you have a 1st rate ship. The order of battle for Trafalgar as listed in the rulebook looks like it is > 6,000 points!

Cheers

CW

bard, just buy a few brit ships so we can have a game, they are on sale at the moment at Olympian $5 for the hull, $5 for the sails $5 - 12 for rigging, Greg has the rigging books already so no need for that



cheers



matt

OK, might take you up on that.

cheers

CW

Well just order a small fleet from Langton. Hopefully arrives in a week or so then paint them up with Red and Yellow. Then I might see if you lads are interested in a game one weekend. I can make a trip from Sydney to get a game or two in one time.

I do 40K (Dark Eldar, Black Templars) at Northern Knights Club, Thornleigh, Sydney, so could battle there, or indoors or outdoors at my place nearby. I would be interested in getting together a fleet of British 19c warships.

Thanks for the link to the Trafalgar stuff. Are there any good ship model suppliers in UK, as usually cheaper?

Ive previously made a nice small Airfix ship model (Revenge) about 10cm long and there was a Victory in the same series. I also have a couple of Tamiya 1:700 Destroyers and Submarines, as Id been thinking of developing my own a tabletop game for them.

By the way, one of my ancestors was Admiral Duncan who fought the challenging seapower Holland in 1797 and won the Battle of Camperdown, Britains greatest naval victory between the Armada and Trafalgar!

Regards, John

Hmmm, would re-fighting what was a relatively small engagement at The Nile really work (now that both sides know what is possible (ie theres not shallow water just inshore of the French mooring). Wouldnt that affect the outcome of those rather original surprise tactics?

Suppose re-rolling the dice over several games could be interesting in that it might show to what extent the outcome of any battle could have been down to lucky shots or was carefully calculated firepower tactics!

random shoals and water depth works well in my ACW naval set, so I can't see why not.



cheers

matt

Hi Matt, thanks for treply. Yes, of course. I see how that should work realistically, as shallows shift and the mapped knowledge might well have been out of date on both sides. Wow, makes the op by Nelson seem possibly foolhardy! Unless..... do you suppose that his sounding info WAS more up to date than the French, as it was/had been an area under British control, or maybe like many an experienced commander, they just made that one fatal error that he noticed and exploited for a victory?!!

You seem to do a lot of Ancients Wargaming. Do you know any players in the north of Sydney?
I play 40K at Northern Knights Club at Thornleigh, but dont see any Ancients games there. Maybe more Ancients play at Castle Hill Club as they do more Fantasy and Ive seen 28mm Napoleonic at the Lindfield Club.I play a lot of Total War army (solo) on PC, but may soon do Multiplayer.


What Rules systems and websites would you recommend for an aged beginner to Ancients games for realistic but easy play? Warhammer Ancient Armies, Shako, Flames of War, spring to mind, but your Army list has cryptic AOA, BGG, etc?


Im interested in tabletop (28mm?) say:
Republican (JCaesar) Roman (vCelts/Britons),
Central Asian/Mongols mounted (vheavy Euro armies).

Regards, John

All Matt's ancients armies are 28mm and based for Warhammer Ancients. The cryptic references are to various WAB supplements - Age of Arthur, Byzantium: Beyond the Golden Gate and so on.



If you want to play 28mm Ancients then WAB is definitely the best system. Field of Glory can be played in 28mm, but (1) it is more suited to 15mm and (2) it's dead boring. Crusader have recently released a set of ancients rules which is also worth a look.

The rulebook has Roman and barbarian lists that are fine for Caesarian and British armies. There is a supplement in progress for the Late Republican Roman period and I have written a supplement for the Early/Middle Imperial Roman period. Both of these are on hold whilst WAB moves from GW to Forgeworld. Byzantium has a list for Steppe Nomads from about 580 to 1200 AD (Avars, Magyars etc). There is a supplement in production dealing with medieval steppe nomads such as our old friends the Mongols.

Cheers

CW

Hi CW, thanks very much for that advice. Presume Warhammer Ancients figures would be Ok for a starter army of Celts/Britons, but who do you suggest does good figures for Mongols/Central Asians? Presume Army Lists for unit shopping are in WA Rulebook or in the Supplements. Regards, John R

Matt might know some manufacturers of Mongols - I only know of Old Glory.
http://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/products.asp?cat=168

I'm working on a series of brief articles about how to start WAB armies, so keep an eye on this forum.

If you are willing to travel to Goulburn over the June long weekend, there is a historical wargaming demo day being run.

Cheers

CW

Thanks v much for that info.

Yep, those Mongol 25mm miniatures looked great, pretty detailed.
Did not see any Rules for sale, but there seemed to be a poss ref to Rules as Warhammer AB - Mongols in Europe.

I presume having models in 25mm makes little difference to any set of Rules, like can you play one side 25mm and the other 28mm if thats what each player has?

I will see if there are any Ancients players at Northern Knights Club, Thornleigh. If not, Ill need to find other Club players in Sydney, pref in the North or Central Coast/Gosford area.

Thanks, Ill look out for the WAB articles. Also Id like to know time and where that demo will be held in case I can get down for a look. I presently play only Warhammer 40K at Northern Knights, Thornleigh, but would like to expand my range of games.

[I'm working on a series of brief articles about how to start WAB armies, so keep an eye on this forum.

If you are willing to travel to Goulburn over the June long weekend, there is a historical wargaming demo day being run.

Cheers

CW
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mongols



Old Glory (great bang for your buck)

Battleline minis NZ

The Assault Group (awesome figs damn expensive though) http://www.theassaultgroup.co.uk/store/home.php?cat=57



Curtneys minis UK http://curteysminiatures.co.uk/index.php?m...89ba5ba6d029440 nice figs same sculpter as TAG



Steve barber Models http://www.sbarber-models.clara.net/main.html later period Ghengis Khan



molniya figures http://www.molniyafigs.com/



Kingmaker/first corps http://www.willhosts.com/online_shop/index...60831f07e3addb8 nice minis



Ebob minis excellent stuff http://www.ebobminiatures.com/products/tribes.htm#1



cheers

matt

Thanks for info, Ill look into those. Regards, John

back on topic: so how is traf going? play experiences? thoughts?